I'm not too worried about the equipment working. It's only used at certain points in the workflow and that would be eliminated by centralizing.<br><br>I deal with a lot of front end data processing - (between .25 - 2TB at a go) - which is analyzed by the users individually. Storing that amount of data is a beast and is especially so when Oracle is involved. So, by processing the data on a big server-class machine with lots and lots of RAM and fast disk access to both the storage side and the database would be a great step in increasing productivity and efficiency. Virtualizing the workstation environment makes sense to me since the front end is pretty light once the processing is done.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Justin Elze <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:formulals1@gmail.com">formulals1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Connecting from thin clients to the VMs via terminal services or citrix assume? <br><br>My only fear would be whatever specialized equipment your running working over terminal services....I work with a customer who runs a custom app written foxpro for dos....regardless we created a number of VMs from a base image and all of their employees use older machines and terminal services to connect works very well.<br>
<br>Obviously this isn't a good metric but I have a few dual quad core machines with 26gb of ram running 20+ virtual machines....obviously a lot of these VMs are low load but performance is great....also saves room/power consumption in the datacenter.<br>
<br>Having the ability to clone VMs and quickly bring up new machines is great for testing/dev enviroments is a huge benifit of virtualiaztion. <br><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Brad Bartram <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brad.bartram@gmail.com" target="_blank">brad.bartram@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I actually have a couple of different applications I'm toying with right now.<br><br>For the first one, I'm looking at running a windows based application for multiple users. I can't get into too much detail for various reasons but it's a traditional client / server app with an oracle backend. Under the current configuration, I have quite a few front end machines at the user's desks with each machine being about $10,000. The problem is that the machines aren't that powerful - they just have some specialized equipment connected to them.<br>
<br>Ideally, I want to take those machines off the user's desks - consolidate the hardware in the data center and virtualize the user's environment allowing them to connect via a thin client. This is very, very simplified - but it's the gist of what I'm thinking.<br>
<br>The second application would be the distribution of resources in a web services environment. This would be a linux environment and would be a LAMP (or in my case LAPP - the first P being postgres) setup. Just trying to get the most bang for my buck I guess.<br>
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<br>Brad</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Justin Elze <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:formulals1@gmail.com" target="_blank">formulals1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Are you leaning towards VMWare or Xenserver?<br><br>Currently I run a number of Xenserver deployments running on HP C class blades and using HP MSA1500 SANs for shared storage this allows for xenmotion(moving VMs between physical servers with no downtime). Overall I have been very happy with Xenserver I have been using it since release 4.0 and it has come a huge way in the past year to the current version 5.0. <br>
<br>Xenserver makes it very easy to vlan tag interfaces on VMs giving you the ability to host multiple customers on the same hardware and keep them unaware of each other.<br><br>One of Xenservers short comes when you virtualize all the servers at a SMB is tradionally backups were done with a directly attached tape back up and there is no provision in xenserver for it.<br>
<br>What kind of enviroment are you looking to virtualize? I could probably give more appropriate advice/suggestions knowing that. <br><br>Justin Elze<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Brad Bartram <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brad.bartram@gmail.com" target="_blank">brad.bartram@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div>I'm interested in this whole virtualization of servers and services trend that's been on going for quite a while. I've worked with it on workstations and in the traditional host - guest configurations to gain access to non-native applications - you know, user-level stuff. I'm interested in it on the server side of things though. I've read the marketing propaganda and seen the vendor white papers and all the trade news-vertisements, but I'm interested in hearing some real world opinions.<br>
<br>I know some of you have opinions on it. So what's the good, the bad, the shortcomings, and the strengths? Are there any things I should look out for or things I should consider in planning out hardware purchases and such?<br>
<br>Thanks<br><font color="#888888"><br>Brad<br>
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