<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><span>Great page that explains what's going on with error 18: <a target="_blank" href="http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB">http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB</a></span><br><div> </div>--<br>"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."<br> --Leonardo da Vinci<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Steve Petersen <business@stevepetersen.net><br>To: nflug@nflug.org<br>Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 3:44:45 PM<br>Subject: Re: [nflug] GRUB error 18<br><br>
Thanks again, everyone!<br><br>Yeah, as you can see from my first email, it's been my guess too that the BIOS just can't "reach" far enough for the later kernels, which were probably installed by update-manager on physically further cylinders. Since I had to install linux back in the days when this was important (and back then I was dual-booting too), I had vague memories that BIOSes are pretty myopic.<br>
<br>The motherboard (that's where the BIOS lives, right?) is actually from Jan 2006 - at least, that's when I bought it "new" - I think it's a Phoenix something, I forget how you find that out. Anyway would making a boot partition help, if the BIOS can only look so far? Oh wait - maybe because as it stands now a new kernel could be written /way/ out there but still under the "boot" directory as far as the fs is concerned? Hmn. I think I see.<br>
<br>Ideally I wouldn't re-install from scratch, or play with re-partitioning. Maybe that would be best, though I dread backing up all my mp3s somehow (especially since linux is /still/ rotten about external hard drives, in my experience).<br>
<br>I was hoping there was some way to chain things (so something within BIOS range says "go boot this kernel over there"), or maybe update the BIOS, or maybe re-order what's where on the physical drive (scary). If I mv the images out of the /boot directory, then back but in newest-first order, would that put the newer kernels in a more accessible place on /dev/hda1? That's the kind of thing I don't get.<br>
<br>Thanks again,<br>Steve<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Robert Meyer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:meyer_rm@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:meyer_rm@yahoo.com">meyer_rm@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Not true. Just by dumb luck, the kernel that boots is below cylinder 1024. The kernels that don't boot are above that. It's a truly bizarre situation and I've had it happen, before. It's usually a whack yourself in the forehead moment when you figure it out.<div class="Ih2E3d">
<br><br>Cheers!<br><br>Bob<br><div> </div>--<br>"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."<br>
--Leonardo da Vinci</div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="Ih2E3d">----- Original Message ----<br>
From: Cyber Source <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>><br>To:
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nflug@nflug.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 2:20:08 PM<br>Subject: Re: [nflug] GRUB error 18<br><br>
I
was
thinking
about
this
too
but
if
one
of
the
stanza's
boots,
then
I <br>would
think
the
others
should,
thus
ruling
out
this
a
a
potential
problem.<br><br>Robert
Meyer
wrote:<br>>
Maybe
I'll
chime
in,
here...
There
are
a
lot
of
really
old
machines <br>>
out
there
with
terminally
limited
BIOS.
These
machines
cannot
address <br>>
anything
beyond
cylinder
1023
on
bootup.
The
standard
solution
to
the <br>>
problem
is
to
create
a
/boot
partition
at
the
very
beginning
of
the <br>>
drive
that
is
just
big
enough
for
the
kernel,
the
initrd
file
and
grub <br>>
configs,
etc.
Frequently,
there
will
be
enough
extra
space
for <br>>
multiple
copies.
Here
is
the
partition
map
on
a
machine
that
I
work <br>>
with
that
does
this:<br>><br>>
Disk
/dev/hda:
100.0
GB,
100030242816
bytes<br>>
255
heads,
63
sectors/track,
12161
cylinders<br>>
Units
=
cylinders
of
16065
*
512
=
8225280
bytes<br>><br>>
Device
Boot
Start
End
Blocks
Id
System<br>>
/dev/hda1
*
1
13
104391
83
Linux<br>>
/dev/hda2
14
12161
97578810
8e
Linux
LV<br>><br>>
The
'df'
output
of
this
machine
looks
like:<br>>
Filesystem
1K-blocks
Used
Available
Use%
Mounted
on<br>>
/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00<br>>
187150052
3822516
173667532
3%
/<br>>
/dev/hda1
101086
11966
83901
13%
/boot<br>>
tmpfs
513476
0
513476
0%
/dev/shm<br>><br>>
So,
I
would
try
using
that
methodology
to
see
if
it
solves
the
problem...<br>><br>>
Sometimes
it's
good
to
be
a
dinosaur...<br>><br>>
Cheers!<br>><br>>
Bob<br>> <br>>
--<br>>
"When
once
you
have
tasted
flight,
you
will
forever
walk
the
earth <br>>
with
your
eyes
turned
skyward,
for
there
you
have
been,
and
there
you <br>>
will
always
long
to
return."<br>>
--Leonardo
da
Vinci<br>><br>><br>>
-----
Original
Message
----<br>>
From:
Cyber
Source
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>><br>>
To:
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nflug@nflug.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>>
Sent:
Friday,
March
7,
2008
1:50:16
PM<br>>
Subject:
Re:
[nflug]
GRUB
error
18<br>><br>>
All
the
stanzas
are
the
same
except
the
the
boot
images.
I
would
think<br>>
then
that
it's
not
a
grub
problem
but
rather
a
problem
with
the<br>>
images/kernels.<br>><br>>
Steve
Petersen
wrote:<br>>
>
Thanks
again
for
your
help
-
yes,
when
I
pick
one
of
the
kernels
it <br>>
boots.<br>>
><br>>
>
uname
-l
output;<br>>
><br>>
>
Linux
liza
2.6.17-10-generic
#2
SMP
Tue
Dec
5
22:28:26
UTC
2006<br>>
>
i686
GNU/Linux<br>>
><br>>
><br>>
>
On
Fri,
Mar
7,
2008
at
10:01
AM,
Cyber
Source<br>>
>
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>> <br>>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>>>> <br>>
wrote:<br>>
><br>>
>
Does
anything
in
that
grub
file
boot?<br>>
><br>>
>
Steve
Petersen
wrote:<br>>
>
>
I've
attached
my
/boot/grub/menu.lst
file.
Thanks
again.<br>>
>
>
Steve<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
On
Thu,
Mar
6,
2008
at
11:36
PM,
Cyber
Source<br>>
>
>
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>
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>
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>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a> <br>>
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wrote:<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
Show
me
your
/boot/grub/menu.lst
file<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
Steve
Petersen
wrote:<br>>
>
>
>
Thanks
for
the
help!
I'm
afraid
I
can't
make
much
of
it<br>>
>
though.<br>>
>
>
As
I<br>>
>
>
>
say,
I've
been
using
linux
for
about
10
years,
but
that<br>>
>
doesn't
mean<br>>
>
>
>
I've
been
/understanding/
much
of
it.
I
have
only
the<br>>
>
vaguest
grasp<br>>
>
>
>
of
UUIDs
and
cylinder
geometry.
I
don't
know
what
the<br>>
>
"stanzas"
are<br>>
>
>
>
and
I'm
not
sure
what
you
mean
by
"the
actual
drive
/dev
use"<br>>
>
>
(unless<br>>
>
>
>
you
just
mean
/dev/hda,
which
I
believe
it
is,
though<br>>
>
there
is
a<br>>
>
>
>
second
hard
drive
I
mount
separately).<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Below
I
give
the
"fdisk
-l"
output.
Thanks
again
for
any<br>>
>
help.<br>>
>
>
>
Steve<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Disk
/dev/hda:
320.0
GB,
320072933376
bytes<br>>
>
>
>
255
heads,
63
sectors/track,
38913
cylinders<br>>
>
>
>
Units
=
cylinders
of
16065
*
512
=
8225280
bytes<br>>
>
>
>
Disk
identifier:
0x0008fac7<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Device
Boot
Start
End
Blocks
Id<br>>
>
System<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hda1
*
1
38560
309733168+
83<br>>
>
Linux<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hda2
38561
38913
2835472+
5<br>>
>
Extended<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hda5
38561
38913
2835441
82<br>>
>
>
Linux
swap<br>>
>
>
>
/
Solaris<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Disk
/dev/hdb:
160.0
GB,
160041885696
bytes<br>>
>
>
>
255
heads,
63
sectors/track,
19457
cylinders<br>>
>
>
>
Units
=
cylinders
of
16065
*
512
=
8225280
bytes<br>>
>
>
>
Disk
identifier:
0x000b8293<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Device
Boot
Start
End
Blocks
Id<br>>
>
System<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hdb1
1
19103
153444816
83<br>>
>
Linux<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hdb2
19104
19457
2843505
5<br>>
>
Extended<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hdb5
19104
19457
2843473+
82<br>>
>
>
Linux
swap<br>>
>
>
>
/
Solaris<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
On
Thu,
Mar
6,
2008
at
9:40
PM,
Cyber
Source<br>>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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wrote:<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Whatever
the
bios
is
told
as
a
boot
device,
if
it's
a
hard<br>>
>
>
drive,
it<br>>
>
>
>
will
go
to
"first"
partition
on
that
drive
that
has
a<br>>
>
"boot"<br>>
>
>
flag<br>>
>
>
>
(fdisk<br>>
>
>
>
-l),
it
will
be
the
partition
with
a
"*"
declared.<br>>
>
>
>
First
off,
I
would
suspect
a
problem
with
the
CHS<br>>
>
>
>
(cylinder,head,sector)<br>>
>
>
>
geometry
that
the
drive
has
or
is
being
interpreted
by
the<br>>
>
>
bios
as,
to<br>>
>
>
>
the
kernel.<br>>
>
>
>
Second
off,
I
would
think
it's
how
the
stanzas
are
written<br>>
>
>
and
the<br>>
>
>
>
UUID's
(always
a
problem
I've
seen)
are
being
used.<br>>
>
Try
changing<br>>
>
>
>
to
the<br>>
>
>
>
actual
drive
/dev
use.<br>>
>
>
>
Tell
me
those
things
and
I'll
tell
you
my
reasoning<br>>
>
later,
if<br>>
>
>
>
applicable,
sorry
lazy
typer.....<br>>
>
>
>
Steve
Petersen
wrote:<br>>
>
>
>
>
Hi
NFLUGgers,<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
I've
been
using
some
form
of
linux
for
about
10<br>>
>
years,
but
I'm<br>>
>
>
>
still
a<br>>
>
>
>
>
newbie
in
many
ways,
and
I
wonder
if
you
can
help<br>>
>
me.
For<br>>
>
>
some
time<br>>
>
>
>
>
now
my
home
desktop
computer
-
which
has
Ubuntu
7.10<br>>
>
on
it
and<br>>
>
>
>
nothing<br>>
>
>
>
>
else
-
won't
boot
any
of
the
more
recent
kernels
the<br>>
>
>
update-manager<br>>
>
>
>
>
downloads.
It
gives
me<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
Error
18:
selected
cylinder
exceeds
maximum<br>>
>
supported<br>>
>
>
by
BIOS<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
until
I
choose
in
GRUB
an
old
enough
kernel
that<br>>
>
BIOS
can<br>>
>
>
reach,<br>>
>
>
>
>
apparently.
I
don't
know
if
I
have
a
separate
boot<br>>
>
>
partition;
it's<br>>
>
>
>
>
however
Ubuntu
set
it
up
default.
(No
separate
boot<br>>
>
>
partition
shows<br>>
>
>
>
>
up
on
the
'mount'
command
-
but
would
it?)
I
also<br>>
>
don't
know<br>>
>
>
>
what
my<br>>
>
>
>
>
motherboard
is
-
that's
where
the
BIOS
lives,
right?
As<br>>
>
>
you
see
I'm<br>>
>
>
>
>
still
pretty
ignorant
of
some
basic
computing
concepts.<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
Anyway
this
has
been
going
on
for
over
a
year,
probably,<br>>
>
>
but
the<br>>
>
>
>
>
kernel's
old
enough
now
that
(without
good
evidence<br>>
>
either<br>>
>
>
way)
I'm<br>>
>
>
>
>
starting
to
worry
it'll
be
sub-optimal
in
noticeable<br>>
>
ways.<br>>
>
>
It's<br>>
>
>
>
>
2.6.17-10-generic,
though
/boot
lists
versions
as<br>>
>
recent
as<br>>
>
>
>
>
2.6.22-14-generic.<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
Thanks
in
advance
for
any
help
or
thoughts.<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
Steve<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
--<br>>
>
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