<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">OK, I just found GParted. It supports Linux ext2 and ext3 filesystems and claims that it can shrink and move filesystems. There is a live boot CD. My idea is that you run the live CD, shrink the linux filesystem by something less than 1024 cylinders, move it up to butt up against your swap, again and then build a new /boot that you can copy all of your boot information to. Then you configure grub to do the right thing and you're done.<br><br>How's that for an idea?<br><br>Cheers!<br><br>Bob<br><div> </div>--<br>"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."<br> --Leonardo da Vinci<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Steve Petersen <business@stevepetersen.net><br>To: nflug@nflug.org<br>Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 3:44:45 PM<br>Subject: Re: [nflug] GRUB error 18<br><br>
Thanks again, everyone!<br><br>Yeah, as you can see from my first email, it's been my guess too that the BIOS just can't "reach" far enough for the later kernels, which were probably installed by update-manager on physically further cylinders. Since I had to install linux back in the days when this was important (and back then I was dual-booting too), I had vague memories that BIOSes are pretty myopic.<br>
<br>The motherboard (that's where the BIOS lives, right?) is actually from Jan 2006 - at least, that's when I bought it "new" - I think it's a Phoenix something, I forget how you find that out. Anyway would making a boot partition help, if the BIOS can only look so far? Oh wait - maybe because as it stands now a new kernel could be written /way/ out there but still under the "boot" directory as far as the fs is concerned? Hmn. I think I see.<br>
<br>Ideally I wouldn't re-install from scratch, or play with re-partitioning. Maybe that would be best, though I dread backing up all my mp3s somehow (especially since linux is /still/ rotten about external hard drives, in my experience).<br>
<br>I was hoping there was some way to chain things (so something within BIOS range says "go boot this kernel over there"), or maybe update the BIOS, or maybe re-order what's where on the physical drive (scary). If I mv the images out of the /boot directory, then back but in newest-first order, would that put the newer kernels in a more accessible place on /dev/hda1? That's the kind of thing I don't get.<br>
<br>Thanks again,<br>Steve<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Robert Meyer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:meyer_rm@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:meyer_rm@yahoo.com">meyer_rm@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Not true. Just by dumb luck, the kernel that boots is below cylinder 1024. The kernels that don't boot are above that. It's a truly bizarre situation and I've had it happen, before. It's usually a whack yourself in the forehead moment when you figure it out.<div class="Ih2E3d">
<br><br>Cheers!<br><br>Bob<br><div> </div>--<br>"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."<br>
--Leonardo da Vinci</div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="Ih2E3d">----- Original Message ----<br>
From: Cyber Source <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>><br>To:
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nflug@nflug.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 2:20:08 PM<br>Subject: Re: [nflug] GRUB error 18<br><br>
I
was
thinking
about
this
too
but
if
one
of
the
stanza's
boots,
then
I <br>would
think
the
others
should,
thus
ruling
out
this
a
a
potential
problem.<br><br>Robert
Meyer
wrote:<br>>
Maybe
I'll
chime
in,
here...
There
are
a
lot
of
really
old
machines <br>>
out
there
with
terminally
limited
BIOS.
These
machines
cannot
address <br>>
anything
beyond
cylinder
1023
on
bootup.
The
standard
solution
to
the <br>>
problem
is
to
create
a
/boot
partition
at
the
very
beginning
of
the <br>>
drive
that
is
just
big
enough
for
the
kernel,
the
initrd
file
and
grub <br>>
configs,
etc.
Frequently,
there
will
be
enough
extra
space
for <br>>
multiple
copies.
Here
is
the
partition
map
on
a
machine
that
I
work <br>>
with
that
does
this:<br>><br>>
Disk
/dev/hda:
100.0
GB,
100030242816
bytes<br>>
255
heads,
63
sectors/track,
12161
cylinders<br>>
Units
=
cylinders
of
16065
*
512
=
8225280
bytes<br>><br>>
Device
Boot
Start
End
Blocks
Id
System<br>>
/dev/hda1
*
1
13
104391
83
Linux<br>>
/dev/hda2
14
12161
97578810
8e
Linux
LV<br>><br>>
The
'df'
output
of
this
machine
looks
like:<br>>
Filesystem
1K-blocks
Used
Available
Use%
Mounted
on<br>>
/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00<br>>
187150052
3822516
173667532
3%
/<br>>
/dev/hda1
101086
11966
83901
13%
/boot<br>>
tmpfs
513476
0
513476
0%
/dev/shm<br>><br>>
So,
I
would
try
using
that
methodology
to
see
if
it
solves
the
problem...<br>><br>>
Sometimes
it's
good
to
be
a
dinosaur...<br>><br>>
Cheers!<br>><br>>
Bob<br>> <br>>
--<br>>
"When
once
you
have
tasted
flight,
you
will
forever
walk
the
earth <br>>
with
your
eyes
turned
skyward,
for
there
you
have
been,
and
there
you <br>>
will
always
long
to
return."<br>>
--Leonardo
da
Vinci<br>><br>><br>>
-----
Original
Message
----<br>>
From:
Cyber
Source
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>><br>>
To:
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nflug@nflug.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>>
Sent:
Friday,
March
7,
2008
1:50:16
PM<br>>
Subject:
Re:
[nflug]
GRUB
error
18<br>><br>>
All
the
stanzas
are
the
same
except
the
the
boot
images.
I
would
think<br>>
then
that
it's
not
a
grub
problem
but
rather
a
problem
with
the<br>>
images/kernels.<br>><br>>
Steve
Petersen
wrote:<br>>
>
Thanks
again
for
your
help
-
yes,
when
I
pick
one
of
the
kernels
it <br>>
boots.<br>>
><br>>
>
uname
-l
output;<br>>
><br>>
>
Linux
liza
2.6.17-10-generic
#2
SMP
Tue
Dec
5
22:28:26
UTC
2006<br>>
>
i686
GNU/Linux<br>>
><br>>
><br>>
>
On
Fri,
Mar
7,
2008
at
10:01
AM,
Cyber
Source<br>>
>
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>> <br>>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>>>> <br>>
wrote:<br>>
><br>>
>
Does
anything
in
that
grub
file
boot?<br>>
><br>>
>
Steve
Petersen
wrote:<br>>
>
>
I've
attached
my
/boot/grub/menu.lst
file.
Thanks
again.<br>>
>
>
Steve<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
On
Thu,
Mar
6,
2008
at
11:36
PM,
Cyber
Source<br>>
>
>
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>> <br>>
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<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>>><br>>
>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>><br>>
>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a> <br>>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>>>>>
wrote:<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
Show
me
your
/boot/grub/menu.lst
file<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
Steve
Petersen
wrote:<br>>
>
>
>
Thanks
for
the
help!
I'm
afraid
I
can't
make
much
of
it<br>>
>
though.<br>>
>
>
As
I<br>>
>
>
>
say,
I've
been
using
linux
for
about
10
years,
but
that<br>>
>
doesn't
mean<br>>
>
>
>
I've
been
/understanding/
much
of
it.
I
have
only
the<br>>
>
vaguest
grasp<br>>
>
>
>
of
UUIDs
and
cylinder
geometry.
I
don't
know
what
the<br>>
>
"stanzas"
are<br>>
>
>
>
and
I'm
not
sure
what
you
mean
by
"the
actual
drive
/dev
use"<br>>
>
>
(unless<br>>
>
>
>
you
just
mean
/dev/hda,
which
I
believe
it
is,
though<br>>
>
there
is
a<br>>
>
>
>
second
hard
drive
I
mount
separately).<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Below
I
give
the
"fdisk
-l"
output.
Thanks
again
for
any<br>>
>
help.<br>>
>
>
>
Steve<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Disk
/dev/hda:
320.0
GB,
320072933376
bytes<br>>
>
>
>
255
heads,
63
sectors/track,
38913
cylinders<br>>
>
>
>
Units
=
cylinders
of
16065
*
512
=
8225280
bytes<br>>
>
>
>
Disk
identifier:
0x0008fac7<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Device
Boot
Start
End
Blocks
Id<br>>
>
System<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hda1
*
1
38560
309733168+
83<br>>
>
Linux<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hda2
38561
38913
2835472+
5<br>>
>
Extended<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hda5
38561
38913
2835441
82<br>>
>
>
Linux
swap<br>>
>
>
>
/
Solaris<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Disk
/dev/hdb:
160.0
GB,
160041885696
bytes<br>>
>
>
>
255
heads,
63
sectors/track,
19457
cylinders<br>>
>
>
>
Units
=
cylinders
of
16065
*
512
=
8225280
bytes<br>>
>
>
>
Disk
identifier:
0x000b8293<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Device
Boot
Start
End
Blocks
Id<br>>
>
System<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hdb1
1
19103
153444816
83<br>>
>
Linux<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hdb2
19104
19457
2843505
5<br>>
>
Extended<br>>
>
>
>
/dev/hdb5
19104
19457
2843473+
82<br>>
>
>
Linux
swap<br>>
>
>
>
/
Solaris<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
On
Thu,
Mar
6,
2008
at
9:40
PM,
Cyber
Source<br>>
>
>
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a> <br>>
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>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a> <br>>
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter@thecybersource.com">peter@thecybersource.com</a>>>>>>
wrote:<br>>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
Whatever
the
bios
is
told
as
a
boot
device,
if
it's
a
hard<br>>
>
>
drive,
it<br>>
>
>
>
will
go
to
"first"
partition
on
that
drive
that
has
a<br>>
>
"boot"<br>>
>
>
flag<br>>
>
>
>
(fdisk<br>>
>
>
>
-l),
it
will
be
the
partition
with
a
"*"
declared.<br>>
>
>
>
First
off,
I
would
suspect
a
problem
with
the
CHS<br>>
>
>
>
(cylinder,head,sector)<br>>
>
>
>
geometry
that
the
drive
has
or
is
being
interpreted
by
the<br>>
>
>
bios
as,
to<br>>
>
>
>
the
kernel.<br>>
>
>
>
Second
off,
I
would
think
it's
how
the
stanzas
are
written<br>>
>
>
and
the<br>>
>
>
>
UUID's
(always
a
problem
I've
seen)
are
being
used.<br>>
>
Try
changing<br>>
>
>
>
to
the<br>>
>
>
>
actual
drive
/dev
use.<br>>
>
>
>
Tell
me
those
things
and
I'll
tell
you
my
reasoning<br>>
>
later,
if<br>>
>
>
>
applicable,
sorry
lazy
typer.....<br>>
>
>
>
Steve
Petersen
wrote:<br>>
>
>
>
>
Hi
NFLUGgers,<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
I've
been
using
some
form
of
linux
for
about
10<br>>
>
years,
but
I'm<br>>
>
>
>
still
a<br>>
>
>
>
>
newbie
in
many
ways,
and
I
wonder
if
you
can
help<br>>
>
me.
For<br>>
>
>
some
time<br>>
>
>
>
>
now
my
home
desktop
computer
-
which
has
Ubuntu
7.10<br>>
>
on
it
and<br>>
>
>
>
nothing<br>>
>
>
>
>
else
-
won't
boot
any
of
the
more
recent
kernels
the<br>>
>
>
update-manager<br>>
>
>
>
>
downloads.
It
gives
me<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
Error
18:
selected
cylinder
exceeds
maximum<br>>
>
supported<br>>
>
>
by
BIOS<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
until
I
choose
in
GRUB
an
old
enough
kernel
that<br>>
>
BIOS
can<br>>
>
>
reach,<br>>
>
>
>
>
apparently.
I
don't
know
if
I
have
a
separate
boot<br>>
>
>
partition;
it's<br>>
>
>
>
>
however
Ubuntu
set
it
up
default.
(No
separate
boot<br>>
>
>
partition
shows<br>>
>
>
>
>
up
on
the
'mount'
command
-
but
would
it?)
I
also<br>>
>
don't
know<br>>
>
>
>
what
my<br>>
>
>
>
>
motherboard
is
-
that's
where
the
BIOS
lives,
right?
As<br>>
>
>
you
see
I'm<br>>
>
>
>
>
still
pretty
ignorant
of
some
basic
computing
concepts.<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
Anyway
this
has
been
going
on
for
over
a
year,
probably,<br>>
>
>
but
the<br>>
>
>
>
>
kernel's
old
enough
now
that
(without
good
evidence<br>>
>
either<br>>
>
>
way)
I'm<br>>
>
>
>
>
starting
to
worry
it'll
be
sub-optimal
in
noticeable<br>>
>
ways.<br>>
>
>
It's<br>>
>
>
>
>
2.6.17-10-generic,
though
/boot
lists
versions
as<br>>
>
recent
as<br>>
>
>
>
>
2.6.22-14-generic.<br>>
>
>
>
><br>>
>
>
>
>
Thanks
in
advance
for
any
help
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