<div>I think Cisco's certs could be important to have a lot of diplomas in the CV...but what happen at the camp? when you have a real problem that have to be solved sooner...</div>
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<div>I think that is really more important and useful a goog engineering than thousands of certifications...what is true is that to get a cert, you have to study even if you have years working on networking because to pass that tests some theoretical domain is required and some times you know how to solve specific problems but you don't know how it works theoretically.
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<div>What do you think about theoretical domain in networking? How important is in fist world countries? (I am in Colombia and here what companies look for is practical engineers).</div>
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<div>Rafa O.<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/8/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Christopher Hawkins</b> <<a href="mailto:chawkins@bplinux.com">chawkins@bplinux.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I'll second that. I know that in Human Resources and Project Management they<br>have certifications that you can't even take the test for until you have
<br>thousands of hours of documented field experience. If they came up with<br>something like that for techies it might raise the bar somewhat. The whole<br>"paper MCSE" thing gave certs a bad name a while back... I worked with
<br>several of them and it's a shame that it was (is?) possible to get certified<br>with so little actual understanding of the concepts. That's one reason I<br>never renewed my MCSE... Its value seemed to keep going down. One thing I
<br>will say, though - the Cisco CCNA exam was *hard*. I'd value that in hiring<br>because I don't think you could ever pass if you didn't understand<br>networking backwards and forwards. Anyone else got an opinion on Cisco's
<br>certs?<br><br>Chris<br>________________________________<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>] On Behalf Of
<br>Mark Musone<br>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:38 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>Subject: RE: [nflug] Linux Certification<br><br><br><br>Me and a colleague of mine just had a conversation about this topic. I
<br>thought his comments were well warranted and wanted to share them.<br><br><br><br>He said that he feels certifications are completely worthless (versus mine<br>being mostly worthless). Anybody can buy a certification. Training
<br>companies, if you pay them enough, guarantee passing certification exams.<br>The technology companies themselves want people using their products, so<br>they are more than happy to provide whatever certification somebody wants,
<br>if it means they make more $$ for the certification and they get more free<br>marketing of their products..<br><br><br><br>What the industry needs is not certification but licensing. Just as in any<br>other professional field (engineering, medical, law,..etc..).
<br><br><br><br>While these thoughts and ideas were not mine, I agree with them.<br><br><br><br>Mark<br><br><br><br><br><br>From: <a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">
nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>Mark Musone<br>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:19 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>Subject: RE: [nflug] Linux Certification<br><br><br><br>My $.02 is that certification values go down as the number of certifications
<br>you have increases..<br><br><br><br>The first certification is very valuable, second pretty good, this is good.<br>Fourth ok…<br><br><br><br>Once you have 5 or so, they're quite frankly not worth much at all.<br>Especially if you're one of those certification collectors (can I say whores
<br>on the mailing list??).<br><br>When I see someone with 12+ certifications, more often than not, they lose a<br>ton of credibility with me, not gain it. Especially when I'll ask them a<br>seemingly simple question like "What's RAID-5" and they give one of those
<br>"Oh, it's some disk redundancy thing. I used it before", basically means<br>they don't know what they are talking about and all those 12+ certifications<br>are instantly garbage.<br><br><br><br>Mark<br><br><br><br><br>
<br>From: <a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>Christopher Hawkins<br>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:08 AM
<br>To: <a href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>Subject: RE: [nflug] Linux Certification<br><br><br><br>I think it depends on how far along you are in your career. When I was<br>trying to establish a career, certifications *really* helped. Sets you apart
<br>from the crowd. And taught me a lot that I hadn't learned elsewhere... So<br>all the studying was pretty valuable. But now that I've been doing this for<br>8+ years, I find that I am no longer interested in certs - either pursuing
<br>new ones or renewing the ones I have. At this point, I think my experience<br>proves that I know what I'm doing, which is what the certs are supposed to<br>do when you don't have the experience to fall back on.
<br><br><br><br>I'd be curious to hear what others think on this, too. I'm self employed and<br>perhaps I don't have a handle on what's important these days in a resume,<br>but if I were hiring I'd look for experience first (volunteer, if nothing
<br>else, even something like helping people at an installfest) and<br>certification second if the experience were not very lengthy. Only once in<br>the past 5 years have I been asked by my clients about certification, but I
<br>am often asked: Have you done this kind of thing before? And if I can answer<br>confidently that, yes, I have... It's a done deal.<br><br><br><br>Chris<br><br><br><br>________________________________<br><br>From:
<a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>mihakriket<br>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:24 AM<br>To:
<a href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>Subject: [nflug] Linux Certification<br><br>Does anyone have any of the Linux certification? In the Buffalo area is<br>worth getting any of the Linux certifications? If so, what is the best
<br>certification to get? I have seen a couple of different certification that<br>are out their. Any feedback would be helpful.<br>Thank you..<br><br>________________________________<br><br>Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by
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