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Hey! I resemble that...<br>
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Where I used to work, you couldn't teach a class, unless you had the
certification. So I ended up collecting a bunch.<br>
<br>
But I'll have to side with Chris and say that it is a decent foot in
the door. But not a be all and end all. When the sales dude is trying
to convince you that it's worth 80K a year, remember, he's a sales
dude. If I am in a position to hire, I usually look at a certification
as a potential understanding of basic, and wide ranging issues.
However, I still try to ask questions on the interview to see if he
understands the info behind the cert. (We called them Paper MCSE's, if
they didn't.) <br>
One guy I know asked candidates to subnet a class C network. That was
his first interview question. It was the last if they just sputtered.
If the candidate started to solve it, he got cut off and asked a bunch
more questions. (So you really didn't have to get to the right answer
on the interview, but you needed more than a 'deer in the headlights'
look to get past it.) And there were plenty of people with
certifications who couldn't answer the question.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mark Musone wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My
$.02 is that certification values go down as the number of
certifications you have increases..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The
first certification is very valuable, second pretty good,
this is good. Fourth ok…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Once
you have 5 or so, they’re quite frankly not worth
much at all. Especially if you’re one of those certification collectors
(can I say whores on the mailing list??).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">When
I see someone with 12+ certifications, more often than not,
they lose a ton of credibility with me, not gain it. Especially when
I’ll
ask them a seemingly simple question like “What’s RAID-5”
and they give one of those “Oh, it’s some disk redundancy thing. I used
it before”, basically means they don’t know what they are talking
about and all those 12+ certifications are instantly garbage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Christopher
Hawkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 08, 2007 8:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [nflug] Linux Certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">I
think it depends on how far along you are in your career. When I
was trying to establish a career, certifications *really* helped. Sets
you
apart from the crowd. And taught me a lot that I hadn't learned
elsewhere... So
all the studying was pretty valuable. But now that I've been doing this
for 8+
years, I find that I am no longer interested in certs - either pursuing
new
ones or renewing the ones I have. At this point, I think
my experience proves that I know what I'm doing, which is what the
certs are supposed to do when you don't have the experience to fall
back
on. </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">I'd
be curious to hear what others think on this, too. I'm self
employed and perhaps I don't have a handle on what's important these
days
in a resume, but if I were hiring I'd look for experience first
(volunteer, if
nothing else, even something like helping people at an installfest) and
certification second if the experience were not very lengthy. Only once
in
the past 5 years have I been asked by my clients about certification,
but I am often
asked: Have you done this kind of thing before? And if I can answer
confidently that, yes, I have... It's a done deal. </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">Chris</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>mihakriket<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 08, 2007 12:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [nflug] Linux Certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">Does
anyone have any of the Linux
certification? In the Buffalo area is worth getting any of the Linux
certifications? If so, what is the best certification to get? I have
seen a
couple of different certification that are out their. Any feedback
would be
helpful.<br>
Thank you..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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