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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Beat ya! </span></font><font size=2
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nflug-bounces@nflug.org [mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dennis Ruzeski<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 04, 2006 1:36
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">nflug@nflug.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [nflug] backups on an
nfs server</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It's fairly simple and
quite common to set up passwordless ssh between trusted hosts for a
non-privileged user.<br>
<br>
I'll post a link or two on easy ways to do it later.<br>
<br>
--Dennis<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 8/4/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>eric</span></b>
<<a href="mailto:eric@bootz.us">eric@bootz.us</a>> wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>is it proper to automate a ssh login?<br>
<br>
<br>
Mark Musone wrote:<br>
<br>
>I'm a little cleared up, but now you are mentioning a samba server..so I'm<br>
>all confused again :)<br>
><br>
>Heres what my opinion is: <br>
><br>
>It would be much better to run the backups on the local fileserver.<br>
><br>
>If you are saying the fileserver does not have that much space, I would
then<br>
>still try to do the backup locally, and then transfer the complete backup <br>
>file wherever else afterwards.<br>
><br>
>You can even do both together by simply piping tar into ssh (which is an<br>
>extremely common way to do backups):<br>
><br>
>"tar cf - / | ssh destserver dd of=/dest/server/filename/" <br>
><br>
>The point being that when you are tarring a file, it does a <st1:place
w:st="on">LOT</st1:place> of<br>
>filesystem lookups for each and every file that goes into the tarball.<br>
>Secondly, it needs to handle file locking. Doing tons of fstats() and file <br>
>locks would end up being expensive and slightly unreliable, and slow.<br>
><br>
>You want to try and do all of the on your local system, which would<br>
>eliminate or considerably speed it up. You can then transfer the single <br>
>tarball over the network..or even get crazy and just copy it via nfs or<br>
>samba. You're only dealing with a single file now, so the above converns
are<br>
>moot.<br>
><br>
>-Mark<br>
><br>
><br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: <a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
>eric<br>
>Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:13 PM<br>
>To: <a href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [nflug] backups on an nfs server<br>
><br>
>Mark I was very unclear how explained, my apologies. Your answer
was my <br>
>question would it be better to just run tar on the nfs server itself and<br>
>then running -u after the intial tar package is created... I said<br>
>increment because I was used to ntbackup which is similar or the same <br>
>thing as -u update in tar<br>
><br>
>my only concern for running the backup on the samba server was their is<br>
>limited space and I want to have a monday - friday backup which would<br>
>eat all the space, thus I put the backups on a larger server the nfs
server. <br>
><br>
>Thank you,<br>
>Eric<br>
><br>
>Mark Musone wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>>Why can't you just run the tar on the server itself?<br>
>>What do you mean by "incrementing" ?<br>
>><br>
>>-Mark<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>-----Original Message-----<br>
>>From: <a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org">nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nflug-bounces@nflug.org"> nflug-bounces@nflug.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
>>eric<br>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:30 PM<br>
>>To: <a href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><br>
>>Subject: [nflug] backups on an nfs server <br>
>><br>
>>which would be better with a mounted nfs share from a nfs server.<br>
>><br>
>>executing a tar and gzip command to package a home dir on the servers<br>
>>share from the client or<br>
>>executing a tar and gzip command to package a home dir on the client
and<br>
>>then moving the package to the servers share?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>I will want to increment files once a full backup is created, so I'm
not <br>
>>sure which would be better in the long run.<br>
>>What seems to be quicker is to execute the increment on the share
across<br>
>>the network instead of always moving/coping a large package from client
<br>
>>to server.<br>
>><br>
>>Thank you for your input,<br>
>>Eric<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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