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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>some problems with apache2 (not in any
particular order, and completely off the top of my head)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ol style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in' start=1 type=1>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Completely different <span class=SpellE>vhost</span> parsing, which
<span class=SpellE>recks</span> havoc on trying to <span class=GramE>migrate</span>
an apache 1.3 server configuration.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ol>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ol style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in' start=2 type=1>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>The multi threading features (which is a very good concept in
general) is so untested and unproven that it’s off by default, which
really brings the best part of apache 2 back down to pre-apache 1.3
levels, since you are running it still in a pre-forked model<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ol>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ol style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in' start=3 type=1>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Most importantly for me, PHP is not tested at all on apache2.
hardly any of the modules have even been converted to work with apache2,
and because of that <span class=SpellE>php</span> has a big tendency to
crash apache because of the core apache changes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ol>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ol style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in' start=4 type=1>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Because they made major core changes to be able to support
threading, all that backend is very new and untested.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ol>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>also, from Rasmus (the author of PHP):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>Generally Apache2+PHP is a bad idea on UNIX,
and I suspect this will<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>never change.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The two main advantages to Apache2 are
threads and the filter <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>mechanism allowing you to insert your module
into the filter stack and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>operate on the buckets as they flow past.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>On threading, I have a strong belief that
humans are simply not smart <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><span
class=GramE><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>enough to write <span
class=SpellE>threadsafe</span> code.</span></font></span><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:windowtext'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>If you keep the
scope small and build<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><span
class=GramE><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>a <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>very</span></font></span><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:windowtext'> targeted system keeping the number of 3rd-party libraries
involved<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>to a minimum, you might be able to do it.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>But for something like PHP (or <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><span
class=SpellE><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>mod_perl</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>) which is capable of touching just about every
3rd-party<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>library along with every native library out
there, there is just no way to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>ensure everything is <span class=SpellE>threadsafe</span>.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>And debugging this stuff is an absolute <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><span
class=GramE><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>nightmare.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>You can of course run Apache2 in non-threaded
mode, <span class=SpellE>aka</span> the <span class=SpellE>prefork</span> MPM,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><span
class=GramE><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>which leaves you with the
cool filter mechanism.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:windowtext'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Except of
course, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>something like PHP (or <span class=SpellE>mod_perl</span>)
needs the entire script in order to <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>perform the two-stage <span class=SpellE>parse+execute</span>
so we basically have to put a up a<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>big stop sign in this whole bucket brigade
thing and wait to get all the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><span
class=GramE><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>buckets.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Oh, and that filter API is overly complex and in my opinion <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>quite broken, so we can't actually use it
effectively which means we are<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><span
class=GramE><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>relegated to run as a
handler instead of a filter.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>That means that for any sort of PHP/<span
class=SpellE>mod_perl</span> dynamic content, you really<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>don't gain anything by going with Apache2
except a less mature and less <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>tested <span class=SpellE>codebase</span>.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>And if you are silly enough to run a
threaded MPM,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>then you are in a world of pain with
Apache2.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You may benefit slightly
from <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>downstream filters such as <span class=SpellE>mod_deflate</span>
which can operate on the output<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>of the handler and of course Apache2 has ipv6
support.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>ipv6 really should<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>be added to the Apache1 <span class=SpellE>codebase</span>
along with native compression support so<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>we can do chunked compressed responses.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>At one point the promise of the <span
class=SpellE>perchild</span> <span class=SpellE>mpm</span> lured some people to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>Apache2, but that <span class=SpellE>mpm</span>
is very broken, and is by <span class=SpellE>definiton</span> threaded which I
just <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>don't see working, ever.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>I suggest sticking with the tried and true
Apache1 if you are going to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:windowtext'>do any sort of complex dynamic content.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> owner-nflug@nflug.org
[mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Cyber
Source<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 15, 2004
9:04 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nflug@nflug.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: RH End of Life</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mark, <br>
What sort of issues have you seen? We run it here and have not seen any
problems, that we might be aware of that is.<br>
<br>
Mark Musone wrote:<br style='mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>..which is good (apache 1.3). apache 2 is far from stable, and far from<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>having good performance for a production environment..<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: <a href="mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org">owner-nflug@nflug.org</a> [<a
href="mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org">mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org</a>] On Behalf Of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Justin Bennett<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:38 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: RH End of Life<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Yeah RH 2.1ES and 3ES are based on the proven 7.x technology. It's more <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>of a proven reliability issue for enterprise than for "Bleeding Edge". <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>We run 2.1ES here. But since it is actually taking a step "backwards" <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>then you need to reinstall. For example it uses Apache 1.3.x rather than<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>the Apache 2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Justin<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Justin Bennett<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Network Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>RHCE (Redhat Certified Linux Engineer)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dynabrade, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>8989 Sheridan Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Clarence, NY 14031<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Riga, Anthony wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>According to the white papers Redhat 9.0 to Enterprise you need to do a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>fresh install. I thought it was some sort of upgrade.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: <a href="mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org">owner-nflug@nflug.org</a> [<a
href="mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org">mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org</a>]On Behalf Of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:robert_todd@adelphia.net">robert_todd@adelphia.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:23 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a href="mailto:nflug@nflug.org">nflug@nflug.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: RH End of Life<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thought I would share this email with everyone:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>---<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 customers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>In accordance with our errata support policy, the Red Hat Linux 7.1,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 distributions have now reached their errata<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>maintenance<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>end-of-life.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>This means that we will no longer be producing security, bugfix, or<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>enhancement updates for these products.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Red Hat Linux 9 reaches end<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>of life on April 30, 2004.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>As our product family grows and expands, we want to help you<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>migrate to the Red Hat solution that is right for you.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Whether that's<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>one of our Red Hat Enterprise Linux products or the Fedora Project, our<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center can help you find the Red Hat<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>solution best suited for your needs:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/">http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>The errata support policy, as well as our current errata and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>are available from:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/">http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>--the Red Hat Network Team<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 color=black
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>---<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<a
href="http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</a>).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release Date: 12/30/2003<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>---<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<a
href="http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</a>).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release Date: 12/30/2003<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:
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