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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Exactly<span class=GramE>..</span> More or
less it meant ‘Linux-ONLY’ people need not apply. Many people are
expert or near expert in Linux and other UNIX-like environments, but we really
need a PHP/<span class=SpellE>MySql</span> person. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Generally people who know PHP/<span
class=SpellE>Mysql</span> already have experience with Linux anyhow (which is a
HUGE plus!), and that’s also why I posted it here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes, I never had –any- intentions
whatsoever to insult anyone’s expertise on Linux, so forgive me if I have.
I feel horrible that there was any question of insult to begin with<span
class=GramE>..</span> <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>(<span
class=GramE>although</span> I still think Wayne’s response was uncalled
for)..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Joe <span class=SpellE>Bielli</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> owner-nflug@nflug.org
[mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ronald
K. Wechter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 07, 2002
10:47 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nflug@nflug.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Job Available:
PHP/MySQL Developer NEEDED!</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think the intention was to say "You dont have
to be JUST a linux geek to apply" -- If Im wrong correct me - So this
email was not insulting it just was opening the offer to more than just linux
people.... Right?<br>
<br>
Gregory J. Neumann wrote:<br style='mso-special-character:line-break'>
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<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hey, Joe!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'm not insulted.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Unless I consider that part about Linux gurus need not apply, I can't find anything vaguely <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>insinuating in the whole letter.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I'm not qualified, so maybe I'm too stupid to be insulted.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Anyway, I hope this doesn't scare anybody away from posting cool opportunities on this list!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>What I'm happiest to hear about is that the meetings will still be there!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>-Greg<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Self-styled Network Admin, (as Wyle E. Coyote would consider himself one!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>but mostly a PITA! ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Joe,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Your insinuation that anyone who is a member of this Linux list server is unqualified for your job is insulting.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>PHP & MYSQL?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You have got to be kidding.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Developing" today in high level languages such as Visual Basic, SQL based, Power Builder,<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>ASP, etc. is relatively easy.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>All of the heavy lifting algorithms have been coded as objects called components and you simply drag and drop them in or call them in from simple routines.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Then you wrap <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>them in a little of your own code to initialize them at the right moment or just customize their activity. This is the point of these languages.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>To hide the difficult stuff so non-technical / math challenged individuals can create something useful without the expense of hiring professionals.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Most of the labor with these languages revolves around learning (memorizing) the proprietary commands and, once an application is written, trying to keep it stable in a multiuser, multipurpose LAN environment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The users of these languages are referred to as 'Component Assemblers', not programmers but you will never convince them of that. Today everyone refers to themselves as a developer and the word has lost it's meaning. An example of a 'developer' is the person(s) who wrote MYSQL,<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>not the people <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>who use it.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The food chain is as follows:<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Developer<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Programmer > Component Assembler > Script Kiddie > User<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Working with the graphics design team?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You take their pictures and drop them in the spot they want them in.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Then you might have to animate them (if it isn't already prepackaged - see above) or have them perform (flash, appear, disappear, rotate, etc) when some activity occurs.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Children are <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>developing sophisticated web sites today which includes my very bright 14 year old nephew. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The point is ............. the<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>job ain't all that.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>If you think the people who subscribe to this server are unqualified, how did you come to the conclusion they would still be able to recognize someone who is?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Why don't you advertise this great job 'opportunity' on the list server that the qualified people subscribe to and leave us poor Linux boobs alone?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>You are right.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You need to go back to school.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Wayne Melbrod<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Unqualified Programmer/Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Integrated Deposit Systems Department<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>M&T Bank<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:jbielli@netsos.com">jbielli@netsos.com</a> 08/07/02 11:09AM >>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hello Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'm going to be leaving Computer SOS to move on to greener pastures and get my schooling finished, Friday is my last day.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I will, however, continue to maintain and administer our linux servers, although remotely (no linux-only gurus need apply, there is no position available).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I have given myself the daunting task of finding myself a replacement in the web development field.. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Qualified candidates MUST know PHP/MYSQL, be ready and willing to share code samples, linux skills are a plus, however the job is mostly application development / web design.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Candidates also must be comfortable coding large applications, picking up others work where they left off (mine ?), meeting with the rest of the web team, and working closely with graphic designers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Salary is decent, and this is a nice atmosphere to work in. If you KNOW someone who may be interested, have them get in contact with me ASAP via email or by voice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Decision will be made by Friday.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Please email resume's to <a
href="mailto:jbielli@netsos.com">jbielli@netsos.com</a><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>..Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Voice calls, ask for Joe @ 635-0086<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Note: this does not change the nflug meetings, I will still be here to host them at our office on third Sundays (except August, of course)..<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Joe Bielli<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Software Development<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Computer SOS, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>1505 Cleveland Drive<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cheektowaga, NY 14225<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:E://jbielli@netsos.com">E://jbielli@netsos.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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