From hubbardr at adelphia.net Wed Mar 2 18:39:25 2005 From: hubbardr at adelphia.net (Richard Hubbard) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:31 2005 Subject: Backups In-Reply-To: <421F3E65.4020502@main.nc.us> References: <421F3E65.4020502@main.nc.us> Message-ID: <42264EAD.9080404@adelphia.net> In the last meeting, a similar question came up. Bob is a fan of dump and restore, basically because everything understands the formats and they work (plus they are there in almost every distribution) Depending on what you are backing up, tar works fine. rsync is an option. i haven't done it, but here is a link to an article which elaborates on the 'across the network' that you are talking about: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/10951_1573881_1 hope this helps... Joe wrote: > While you're looking into backups, check out the rsync command. It's > fast and can be set up to back up only what has changed from the last > backup. > > Joe > > Frank Kumro wrote: > >> Im sure this topic has been discussed many times but I cannot find any >> of the old emails. I am looking for a backup solution for my linux >> machine. An extra machine is available so I would like to do backups >> and have them stored on that networked machine. Does anyone do this >> already and would like to share their wisdom? >> >> > From erek at nbtsc.org Wed Mar 2 21:43:04 2005 From: erek at nbtsc.org (Erek Dyskant) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Backups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050303024303.GB13723@nbtsc.org> If you have excess storage on the backup server, I would look into rsnapshot. It is an incremental backup script that rsyncs daily backups into different folders, using hard links so that files that didn't change are only stored once. We use it on our servers so we can restore from several backups previous. Erek On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 10:31:12AM -0500, Frank Kumro wrote: > Im sure this topic has been discussed many times but I cannot find any > of the old emails. I am looking for a backup solution for my linux > machine. An extra machine is available so I would like to do backups > and have them stored on that networked machine. Does anyone do this > already and would like to share their wisdom? > -- > Frank > Shenanigans!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050303/3e8801d8/attachment.pgp From mmusone at shatterit.com Thu Mar 3 11:26:53 2005 From: mmusone at shatterit.com (Mark Musone) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Looking for CPU Message-ID: <000001c5200d$d0389540$33faa8c0@usa.shatterit.com> Hey guys, anyone have a working used Athlon Cpu they have no use for? I need an Athlon 1.2 or higher.. I can get a new one for $40, but I'm looking to spend $20 on one, and ideally faster too.. So if anyone has one lying around and want to get rid of, please let me know, thanks, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050303/0159be10/attachment.html From joshua.altemoos at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 12:04:02 2005 From: joshua.altemoos at gmail.com (Joshua Ronne Altemoos) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Gates has been Knigthed Message-ID: <2af2a0db05030309042ff0f52a@mail.gmail.com> He was knigth by the queen of england BUT he can not use sir because he is american "... As an American, Gates is not entitled to use "Sir" before his name, but he can put the initials "K.B.E." - Knight Commander of the British Empire - after it. ..." Still does this show how messed up the uk is where is linus's knigthship http://buffalonews.com/editorial/20050303/1033755.asp -- Josh -Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From robert_todd at adelphia.net Thu Mar 3 12:10:44 2005 From: robert_todd at adelphia.net (Robert Wolfe) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Sparc Message-ID: <42274514.2020207@adelphia.net> Hi all! I just recently got a Sun UltraSparc 5 workstation up and running here at my home in Lancaster and was wondering if anyone else in the mailing list had one of these marvels as well. If so, is anyone running Solaris 10 on their box? I apologize if this is off-topic for this mailing list/group, but was just curious. Thanks! Robert Wolfe [MCP] From yearke at eng.buffalo.edu Thu Mar 3 12:36:19 2005 From: yearke at eng.buffalo.edu (Dave Yearke) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Sparc Message-ID: <200503031736.j23HaJqS008174@fate.eng.buffalo.edu> >Hi all! I just recently got a Sun UltraSparc 5 workstation up and >running here at my home in Lancaster and was wondering if anyone else in >the mailing list had one of these marvels as well. If so, is anyone >running Solaris 10 on their box? I apologize if this is off-topic for >this mailing list/group, but was just curious. > >Thanks! >Robert Wolfe [MCP] I've been beta-testing Solaris 10 for a few months now, and it's pretty interesting. I have been wondering if there is any interest in non-Linux, free (as in beer), Unix-like operating systems among the readers of this list. Solaris will soon be released under an open source license, but I don't know how much of a difference that makes as far as this list goes. As for U5s, they're nice workstations, and they hold up well. We have many here that have been in continuous service since they first came out, which has to be at least five years now, if memory serves me correctly (and it often doesn't). If there is interest, I'll summarize what I like and don't like about it. If not, or if this is out-of-bounds for the list, then forget I said anything. :-) -- Dave Yearke, yearke@eng.buffalo.edu "We are, after all, professionals" -- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson From djandruczyk at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 12:54:39 2005 From: djandruczyk at yahoo.com (Dave Andruczyk) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Sparc In-Reply-To: <42274514.2020207@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20050303175439.2670.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> --- Robert Wolfe wrote: > Hi all! I just recently got a Sun UltraSparc 5 workstation up and > running here at my home in Lancaster and was wondering if anyone else in > the mailing list had one of these marvels as well. If so, is anyone > running Solaris 10 on their box? I apologize if this is off-topic for > this mailing list/group, but was just curious. > I've got an Ultra 30 and an Ultra60, both ran linux (gentoo) I haven't tried solaris 10 yet. (don't have any ISO's yet) I'm curious to try sol10 though as I have some of the nicer 3D cards (Elite3D m3's) ===== Dave J. Andruczyk __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Thu Mar 3 13:40:41 2005 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Sparc In-Reply-To: <42274514.2020207@adelphia.net> References: <42274514.2020207@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <42275A29.6040103@cognigencorp.com> i'm have a really old 25mhz sun IPX at home, it's nothing more then a paper weight now. check out blastwave.org for all of you favorite GNU packages, i'm going to maintaining some packages for them and this is shameless self promotion. i have the 4 solaris 10 iso's downloaded, i can burn them for anyone who wants them. Robert Wolfe wrote: > Hi all! I just recently got a Sun UltraSparc 5 workstation up and > running here at my home in Lancaster and was wondering if anyone else in > the mailing list had one of these marvels as well. If so, is anyone > running Solaris 10 on their box? I apologize if this is off-topic for > this mailing list/group, but was just curious. > > Thanks! > Robert Wolfe [MCP] -- Darin Perusich Unix Systems Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From qfwfq at adelphia.net Thu Mar 3 14:16:54 2005 From: qfwfq at adelphia.net (Stephen Burke) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Gates has been Knigthed In-Reply-To: <2af2a0db05030309042ff0f52a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2af2a0db05030309042ff0f52a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <422762A6.40809@adelphia.net> Joshua Ronne Altemoos wrote: >He was knigth by the queen of england BUT he can not use sir because >he is american > >"... As an American, Gates is not entitled to use "Sir" before his >name, but he can put the initials "K.B.E." - Knight Commander of the >British Empire - after it. ..." > >Still does this show how messed up the uk is where is linus's knigthship > >http://buffalonews.com/editorial/20050303/1033755.asp > Linus is not a fascist. That's why we're here. ;-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050303/4287168a/attachment.html From joshua.altemoos at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 15:19:53 2005 From: joshua.altemoos at gmail.com (Joshua Ronne Altemoos) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Gates has been Knigthed In-Reply-To: <422762A6.40809@adelphia.net> References: <2af2a0db05030309042ff0f52a@mail.gmail.com> <422762A6.40809@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <2af2a0db05030312193711274f@mail.gmail.com> it was a joke >:) On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:16:54 -0500, Stephen Burke wrote: > Joshua Ronne Altemoos wrote: > He was knigth by the queen of england BUT he can not use sir because he is > american "... As an American, Gates is not entitled to use "Sir" before > his name, but he can put the initials "K.B.E." - Knight Commander of > the British Empire - after it. ..." Still does this show how messed up the > uk is where is linus's > knigthship http://buffalonews.com/editorial/20050303/1033755.asp > Linus is not a fascist. > > That's why we're here. ;-) > -- Josh -Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From robert_todd at adelphia.net Fri Mar 4 01:19:35 2005 From: robert_todd at adelphia.net (Robert Wolfe) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Sparc In-Reply-To: <200503031736.j23HaJqS008174@fate.eng.buffalo.edu> References: <200503031736.j23HaJqS008174@fate.eng.buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <4227FDF7.2000608@adelphia.net> Dave Yearke wrote: >>Hi all! I just recently got a Sun UltraSparc 5 workstation up and >>running here at my home in Lancaster and was wondering if anyone else in >>the mailing list had one of these marvels as well. If so, is anyone >>running Solaris 10 on their box? I apologize if this is off-topic for >>this mailing list/group, but was just curious. >> >>Thanks! >>Robert Wolfe [MCP] >> >> > >I've been beta-testing Solaris 10 for a few months now, and it's pretty >interesting. I have been wondering if there is any interest in non-Linux, free >(as in beer), Unix-like operating systems among the readers of this list. >Solaris will soon be released under an open source license, but I don't know how >much of a difference that makes as far as this list goes. > >As for U5s, they're nice workstations, and they hold up well. We have many here >that have been in continuous service since they first came out, which has to be >at least five years now, if memory serves me correctly (and it often doesn't). > >If there is interest, I'll summarize what I like and don't like about it. If >not, or if this is out-of-bounds for the list, then forget I said anything. :-) > > > Well, perhaps I should use the mailing list capability I have with my webhosting provider in Cheektowaga to set up a Linux mailing list and a Solaris mailing list :) From robert_todd at adelphia.net Fri Mar 4 01:36:12 2005 From: robert_todd at adelphia.net (Robert Wolfe) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Sparc In-Reply-To: <20050303175439.2670.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050303175439.2670.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422801DC.7010909@adelphia.net> Dave Andruczyk wrote: >--- Robert Wolfe wrote: > > > >>Hi all! I just recently got a Sun UltraSparc 5 workstation up and >>running here at my home in Lancaster and was wondering if anyone else in >>the mailing list had one of these marvels as well. If so, is anyone >>running Solaris 10 on their box? I apologize if this is off-topic for >>this mailing list/group, but was just curious. >> >> >> > >I've got an Ultra 30 and an Ultra60, both ran linux (gentoo) I haven't tried >solaris 10 yet. (don't have any ISO's yet) I'm curious to try sol10 though as >I have some of the nicer 3D cards (Elite3D m3's) > > > Well, if you would like a copy of Solaris 10 on CDROM, I would be more than happy to make you a set from my set. Just email me at robert_todd@adelphia.net. From javabob at adelphia.net Fri Mar 4 05:31:18 2005 From: javabob at adelphia.net (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: EFF and Broadcast Flags Message-ID: <422838F6.3080007@adelphia.net> Thought many of the list members might be interested in this. http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/cookbook/ Apparently, some required hardware may not be available after July 1, 2005 when broadcast flags may become "LAW". Hope this helps those that are interested. Bob From Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com Fri Mar 4 09:39:19 2005 From: Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com (Justin Bennett) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup Message-ID: <42287317.4060102@Dynabrade.com> Sorry for the post but I need a little help, I know absolutely nothing about backing up a windows box. What I have is a stand alone Windows 2003 Server box I need to backup nightly. I has a Vs160 tape drive, I'm trying to use this windows backup utility to schedule a nightly backup and it doesn't look like it fired last night. It had a brand new tape in it, I think it might have to do with that. I don't have to use this, I'm just looking for something robust, that I can back the server up and restore it to another machine if it dies. Something kinda like tar. I can put it in another box and extract files, no cataloging, media sets, or other crap. Free is always good too. Thanks, Justin -- Justin Bennett Network Administrator Dynabrade, Inc. 8989 Sheridan Dr. Clarence, NY 14031 From ebenoit at hopevale.com Fri Mar 4 10:01:17 2005 From: ebenoit at hopevale.com (Eric) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: laptop In-Reply-To: <42275A29.6040103@cognigencorp.com> References: <42274514.2020207@adelphia.net> <42275A29.6040103@cognigencorp.com> Message-ID: <4228783D.4060408@hopevale.com> Does anyone have an old laptop with a cdrom I could purchase from them. 100mhz speed would be swell! I have to miniturize my current 486 clunker DNS and router Thanks, Eric From peter at thecybersource.com Fri Mar 4 10:44:12 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: laptop In-Reply-To: <4228783D.4060408@hopevale.com> References: <42274514.2020207@adelphia.net> <42275A29.6040103@cognigencorp.com> <4228783D.4060408@hopevale.com> Message-ID: <4228824C.1090003@thecybersource.com> Eric wrote: > Does anyone have an old laptop with a cdrom I could purchase from > them. 100mhz speed would be swell! > > I have to miniturize my current 486 clunker DNS and router > > Thanks, > Eric We have a Dell Inspiron 7000 that we're selling for a client of ours. Contact me offlist for the details. -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From yjjeepinmike at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 11:34:25 2005 From: yjjeepinmike at yahoo.com (Mike Leonis) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: laptop In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050304163425.86779.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com> did you really mean 100mhz? i have a dell latitude cpxj gt650..... e-mail me at yjjeepinmike@yahoo.com for details. Eric wrote: Does anyone have an old laptop with a cdrom I could purchase from them. 100mhz speed would be swell! I have to miniturize my current 486 clunker DNS and router Thanks, Eric --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050305/df29becc/attachment.html From joshua.altemoos at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 15:04:16 2005 From: joshua.altemoos at gmail.com (Joshua Ronne Altemoos) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: EFF and Broadcast Flags In-Reply-To: <422838F6.3080007@adelphia.net> References: <422838F6.3080007@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <2af2a0db050304120437008fc8@mail.gmail.com> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/69839/us-judges-agree-fcc-has-no-rights-pursue-hdtv-broadcast-flag-regs.html On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:31:18 -0500, Robert F. Stockdale IV wrote: > Thought many of the list members might be interested in this. > > http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/cookbook/ > > Apparently, some required hardware may not be available after July 1, > 2005 when broadcast flags may become "LAW". > Hope this helps those that are interested. > Bob > -- Josh -Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From erek at nbtsc.org Sat Mar 5 09:29:30 2005 From: erek at nbtsc.org (Erek Dyskant) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup In-Reply-To: <42287317.4060102@Dynabrade.com> References: <42287317.4060102@Dynabrade.com> Message-ID: <20050305142930.GC11939@nbtsc.org> Justin, Doesn't exactly fit your 'no's list, but I have had good results with Retrospect backup. If you can afford it, I'd strongly recommend you go with an incremental backup scheme. If the server goes entirely haywire, you' ll probably know within a day, but if the CFO accidentally deletes his pictures of his kids, it may take a few days before someone reports it. It has been great for us to be able to say "Would you like yesterday's or last week's version of your file" when someone needs a restore (Which happens suprisingly often. Maybe once every three months. Usually requested two to three days after they delete the file.) Hope this is helpful. Regards, Erek On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 09:39:19AM -0500, Justin Bennett wrote: > Sorry for the post but I need a little help, I know absolutely nothing > about backing up a windows box. What I have is a stand alone Windows > 2003 Server box I need to backup nightly. I has a Vs160 tape drive, I'm > trying to use this windows backup utility to schedule a nightly backup > and it doesn't look like it fired last night. It had a brand new tape in > it, I think it might have to do with that. > > I don't have to use this, I'm just looking for something robust, that I > can back the server up and restore it to another machine if it dies. > Something kinda like tar. I can put it in another box and extract files, > no cataloging, media sets, or other crap. Free is always good too. > > > Thanks, > Justin > > -- > Justin Bennett > Network Administrator > Dynabrade, Inc. > 8989 Sheridan Dr. > Clarence, NY 14031 > > From ron_browning14223 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 22:04:49 2005 From: ron_browning14223 at yahoo.com (ron browning) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup In-Reply-To: <42287317.4060102@Dynabrade.com> Message-ID: <20050306030449.38370.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Get a RAID controller and mirror. M$ wont back up certain operating files (like the boot! to protect their copyright). Otherwise consider a second drive and back up data via a batch file and "scheduler". Justin Bennett wrote: Sorry for the post but I need a little help, I know absolutely nothing about backing up a windows box. What I have is a stand alone Windows 2003 Server box I need to backup nightly. I has a Vs160 tape drive, I'm trying to use this windows backup utility to schedule a nightly backup and it doesn't look like it fired last night. It had a brand new tape in it, I think it might have to do with that. I don't have to use this, I'm just looking for something robust, that I can back the server up and restore it to another machine if it dies. Something kinda like tar. I can put it in another box and extract files, no cataloging, media sets, or other crap. Free is always good too. Thanks, Justin -- Justin Bennett Network Administrator Dynabrade, Inc. 8989 Sheridan Dr. Clarence, NY 14031 --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050306/773b755c/attachment.html From Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com Sun Mar 6 10:12:36 2005 From: Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com (Justin Bennett) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup In-Reply-To: <20050306030449.38370.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050306030449.38370.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422B1DE4.7000501@Dynabrade.Com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050306/a921d87f/attachment.html From peter at thecybersource.com Sun Mar 6 11:29:15 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup In-Reply-To: <422B1DE4.7000501@Dynabrade.Com> References: <20050306030449.38370.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> <422B1DE4.7000501@Dynabrade.Com> Message-ID: <422B2FDB.9020909@thecybersource.com> Justin Bennett wrote: > It's ultra320 scsi mirrored drives. The issue I have is that it's User > Filesystems, Engineering drawings actually. I just want to backup the > drawings. But I want a dependable backup, not something that I need > the backup tape, and catalogs to do restore. Soemthing that if all > hell broke loose, I could put the tape in a tape drive and pull the > data off. > > > ron browning wrote: > >> Get a RAID controller and mirror. M$ wont back up certain operating >> files (like the boot! to protect their copyright). Otherwise consider >> a second drive and back up data via a batch file >> and "scheduler". >> >> */Justin Bennett /* wrote: >> >> Sorry for the post but I need a little help, I know absolutely >> nothing >> about backing up a windows box. What I have is a stand alone Windows >> 2003 Server box I need to backup nightly. I has a Vs160 tape >> drive, I'm >> trying to use this windows backup utility to schedule a nightly >> backup >> and it doesn't look like it fired last night. It had a brand new >> tape in >> it, I think it might have to do with that. >> >> I don't have to use this, I'm just looking for something robust, >> that I >> can back the server up and restore it to another machine if it dies. >> Something kinda like tar. I can put it in another box and extract >> files, >> no cataloging, media sets, or other crap. Free is always good too. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Justin >> >> -- >> Justin Bennett >> Network Administrator >> Dynabrade, Inc. >> 8989 Sheridan Dr. >> Clarence, NY 14031 >> >> >> ! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >> > I've been following this one to see what you guys come up with as I have a similar situation. The scsi mirror will help with a hardware failure but not a software one. In my situation, I'm just thinking of using tar in a cron to backup some smb shares. Since the data is the critical thing and not the OS stuff, that'll work for me. Instead of getting all incremental too, I just create like folders for different days of the week, then do full tars to each folder respective of the day of the week, this way I have full backups with a week of tolerance, plenty of time to catch something. With the cost of hard drives today, space is cheap. Not the prettiest most well thought out plan but it works. -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From erek at nbtsc.org Sun Mar 6 12:14:59 2005 From: erek at nbtsc.org (Erek Dyskant) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup In-Reply-To: <422B2FDB.9020909@thecybersource.com> References: <20050306030449.38370.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> <422B1DE4.7000501@Dynabrade.Com> <422B2FDB.9020909@thecybersource.com> Message-ID: <20050306171458.GB15484@nbtsc.org> Depending upon how often you intend to restore individual files from backup, I would consider using rsync and/or rsnapshot to do the daily backups. This way you could use standard filesystem tools to restore files rather than having to use tar. If you do incremental rsnapshot backups, it would probably use about the same amount of space as non-incremental tar.gz files. Regards, Erek > a similar situation. The scsi mirror will help with a hardware failure > but not a software one. In my situation, I'm just thinking of using tar > in a cron to backup some smb shares. Since the data is the critical > thing and not the OS stuff, that'll work for me. Instead of getting all > incremental too, I just create like folders for different days of the > week, then do full tars to each folder respective of the day of the > week, this way I have full backups with a week of tolerance, plenty of > time to catch something. With the cost of hard drives today, space is > cheap. Not the prettiest most well thought out plan but it works. > > -- > cybersource.us > 115 Richfield Road > Williamsville, New York 14221 > 716-553-8525 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050306/932fb553/attachment.pgp From Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com Sun Mar 6 15:54:20 2005 From: Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com (Justin Bennett) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup In-Reply-To: <20050306171458.GB15484@nbtsc.org> References: <20050306030449.38370.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> <422B1DE4.7000501@Dynabrade.Com> <422B2FDB.9020909@thecybersource.com> <20050306171458.GB15484@nbtsc.org> Message-ID: <422B6DFC.9080901@Dynabrade.Com> Thats a good thought, I could share the d drive on the windows server and do an smbmount on another server to backup the files. Thanks Erek Dyskant wrote: >Depending upon how often you intend to restore individual files from >backup, I would consider using rsync and/or rsnapshot to do the daily >backups. This way you could use standard filesystem tools to restore >files rather than having to use tar. > >If you do incremental rsnapshot backups, it would probably use about the >same amount of space as non-incremental tar.gz files. > >Regards, >Erek > > > >>a similar situation. The scsi mirror will help with a hardware failure >>but not a software one. In my situation, I'm just thinking of using tar >>in a cron to backup some smb shares. Since the data is the critical >>thing and not the OS stuff, that'll work for me. Instead of getting all >>incremental too, I just create like folders for different days of the >>week, then do full tars to each folder respective of the day of the >>week, this way I have full backups with a week of tolerance, plenty of >>time to catch something. With the cost of hard drives today, space is >>cheap. Not the prettiest most well thought out plan but it works. >> >>-- >>cybersource.us >>115 Richfield Road >>Williamsville, New York 14221 >>716-553-8525 >> > > > From carlyos at Buffalo.com Mon Mar 7 08:27:43 2005 From: carlyos at Buffalo.com (Carl Yost Jr) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup Message-ID: <20050307132743.72D3B11B723@ws4-1.us4.outblaze.com> Not sure if anyone hit on this with Windows backup but you need to go into the retore media manage tab and mark the media as free to use. A lot of the automated features are stripped out of MS's backup software that you would normally see. When I put in new media I also always seem to have to do a quick small backup so NTBackup will add the media to the media pool and so I can mark it free daily. I had an arcticle on how to automate more of NTBackup if I can find it again I will send it off to you. I have a windows 2003 server box I have to do this on daily. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Bennett" To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:39:19 -0500 > > Sorry for the post but I need a little help, I know absolutely > nothing about backing up a windows box. What I have is a stand > alone Windows 2003 Server box I need to backup nightly. I has a > Vs160 tape drive, I'm trying to use this windows backup utility to > schedule a nightly backup and it doesn't look like it fired last > night. It had a brand new tape in it, I think it might have to do > with that. > > I don't have to use this, I'm just looking for something robust, > that I can back the server up and restore it to another machine if > it dies. Something kinda like tar. I can put it in another box and > extract files, no cataloging, media sets, or other crap. Free is > always good too. > > > Thanks, > Justin > > -- Justin Bennett > Network Administrator > Dynabrade, Inc. > 8989 Sheridan Dr. > Clarence, NY 14031 > -- _______________________________________________ http://www.Buffalo.com , WNY's #1 Website From Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com Mon Mar 7 09:48:08 2005 From: Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com (Justin Bennett) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup In-Reply-To: <20050307132743.72D3B11B723@ws4-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050307132743.72D3B11B723@ws4-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <422C69A8.60904@Dynabrade.com> Thats the problem, the backup pool stuff, if the machine were to die and I had to releod it, could I restore from the tape without having the tape info stored on the machine? I have no experience backing up windows boxes, and thus have no faith that I would be able to get the files back in the event of a failure, so I'm going to share the windows drive mount it on my Backup server via samba, and just take a tar onto a tape of the files I need to backup. Then I feel comfortable in the even of a failure I could reinstall Windows 2003, and get the data back. Thanks for all the help! Justin Justin Bennett Network Administrator Dynabrade, Inc. 8989 Sheridan Dr. Clarence, NY 14031 On 3/7/2005 8:27 AM, Carl Yost Jr wrote: >Not sure if anyone hit on this with Windows backup but you need to go into the retore media manage tab and mark the media as free to use. A lot of the automated features are stripped out of MS's backup software that you would normally see. When I put in new media I also always seem to have to do a quick small backup so NTBackup will add the media to the media pool and so I can mark it free daily. I had an arcticle on how to automate more of NTBackup if I can find it again I will send it off to you. I have a windows 2003 server box I have to do this on daily. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Justin Bennett" >To: nflug@nflug.org >Subject: OFF TOPIC Windows Backup >Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:39:19 -0500 > > > >>Sorry for the post but I need a little help, I know absolutely >>nothing about backing up a windows box. What I have is a stand >>alone Windows 2003 Server box I need to backup nightly. I has a >>Vs160 tape drive, I'm trying to use this windows backup utility to >>schedule a nightly backup and it doesn't look like it fired last >>night. It had a brand new tape in it, I think it might have to do >>with that. >> >>I don't have to use this, I'm just looking for something robust, >>that I can back the server up and restore it to another machine if >>it dies. Something kinda like tar. I can put it in another box and >>extract files, no cataloging, media sets, or other crap. Free is >>always good too. >> >> >>Thanks, >>Justin >> >>-- Justin Bennett >>Network Administrator >>Dynabrade, Inc. >>8989 Sheridan Dr. >>Clarence, NY 14031 >> >> >> > > > From Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com Tue Mar 8 08:30:48 2005 From: Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com (Justin Bennett) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Smbmount / Tar Message-ID: <422DA908.60503@Dynabrade.com> Following Pete's recommendation on backing up files from windows, I'm using tar off of a smbmount file share, I'm getting file changed as we read it errors during the tar, it's always the same files, and in windows they haven't changed. I did some googleing and found that this is an issue with windows reporting the timestamp and that the file should be ok. Can anyone confirm they've see this problem? Thanks Justin -- Justin Bennett Network Administrator Dynabrade, Inc. 8989 Sheridan Dr. Clarence, NY 14031 From dvmail at texas.net Tue Mar 8 08:55:53 2005 From: dvmail at texas.net (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Natural Language Processing - FOSS In-Reply-To: <421D26C6.10808@bluefrog.biz> References: <421D26C6.10808@bluefrog.biz> Message-ID: <20050308085553.1f06bce0.dvmail@texas.net> Thanks for posting this. I am trying to put together a project using OSIS and SMIL standards. It will be a challenge, but there are a lot of tools out there already. I"m studying XML right now for this. There's a lot to learn. I would like for my effort to be all Free Open-Source software, but I don't see how I can achieve this and reach MS Windows/POSIX-type users (Un*x/GNU-Linux)/Mac users... unless I use something that depends on Java. Using XML would seem to give me a lot of options, but I only found one Open Source Software package that really does what I want. Maybe XML/OSIS/SMIL will present me with future opportunities to do what I really want. Maybe I should start studying computer programming. Daniel On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:58:46 -0500 Scott Lawton wrote: > I remember some time ago there was quite a bit of traffic in the list > from someone regarding natural language software. > I found this in the Morphix derivatives list, and thought it might be of > interest. > Quote from the page: > > Morphix-NLP is a Live CD Linux distribution with a rich collection of > Natural Language Processing (NLP) applications. Though the field of NLP > has undergone decades of intensive research, software designed in the > NLP community are often scattered around the net and are not known by > the larger computer user community. Consequently, most NLP software can > not be found in mainstream distributions even years after the first > public release. ... > The link: > http://morphix-nlp.berlios.de/ From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Mar 8 09:13:01 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Smbmount / Tar In-Reply-To: <422DA908.60503@Dynabrade.com> References: <422DA908.60503@Dynabrade.com> Message-ID: <422DB2ED.6000607@thecybersource.com> Justin Bennett wrote: > Following Pete's recommendation on backing up files from windows, I'm > using tar off of a smbmount file share, I'm getting file changed as we > read it errors during the tar, it's always the same files, and in > windows they haven't changed. I did some googleing and found that this > is an issue with windows reporting the timestamp and that the file > should be ok. Can anyone confirm they've see this problem? > > Thanks > Justin > Are these system files your having the trouble with? I have seen tar complain about time stamps but usually it's an ACL thing. Are the times between your windows box and Linux box the same? I don't have the same situation (thankfully). I have a Linux server acting as a PDC and I wanted to backup the samba shares. So I had an older box with a scsi backplane that was too old for anything other than a role as a backup server, which I put into place last night and have the PDC NFS export the directories I want to backup. The backup server mounts the NFS exports and tars them up nightly to another drive on the backup server, here is a snippet of my one week tolerance from cron, #Backup Act Databases on Monday 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Monday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act #Backup Act Databases on Tuesday 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Tuesday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act #Backup Act Databases on Wednesday 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Wednesday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act #Backup Act Databases on Thursday 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Thursday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act #Backup Act Databases on Friday 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Friday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act #Backup Act Databases on Saturday 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Saturday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act I just really don't like tapes and this works for me ;). -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From fkumro at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 09:11:39 2005 From: fkumro at gmail.com (Frank Kumro) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: All User Read/Write to usbdisk Message-ID: I was wondering how I can have any user be able to read and write to the usb thumb drive I have. Now i am the only one using it so I mount it with sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk/ I can read it but I cannot remove data from it. I cant write to it either, how can I enable any user to delete,modify,write to the disk? -- Frank Shenanigans!! From dvmail at texas.net Tue Mar 8 09:13:50 2005 From: dvmail at texas.net (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Smbmount / Tar --> possible option In-Reply-To: <422DA908.60503@Dynabrade.com> References: <422DA908.60503@Dynabrade.com> Message-ID: <20050308091350.5bab97a3.dvmail@texas.net> Since if you use MS Windows you can't be too concerned about uptime... Why not boot up with Knoppix (http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html) and scp the whole Windows setup to a Linux box. If you use a Red-Hat type OS, like CentOS (http://centos.org/), you can get NTFS modules at http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html something like, depending on setup on your other computer... ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.x route add default gw 192.168.0.1 scp -c blowfish /mnt/cdrive root@192.168.0.x:/home/storage/win - or - Go get WinSCP and just SFTP to a Linux box... http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php WinSCP is an open source SFTP client for Windows using SSH. have fun, Daniel On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:30:48 -0500 Justin Bennett wrote: > Following Pete's recommendation on backing up files from windows, I'm > using tar off of a smbmount file share, I'm getting file changed as we > read it errors during the tar, it's always the same files, and in > windows they haven't changed. I did some googleing and found that this > is an issue with windows reporting the timestamp and that the file > should be ok. Can anyone confirm they've see this problem? > > Thanks > Justin > > -- > Justin Bennett > Network Administrator > Dynabrade, Inc. > 8989 Sheridan Dr. > Clarence, NY 14031 > > From Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com Tue Mar 8 09:20:55 2005 From: Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com (Justin Bennett) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Smbmount / Tar --> possible option In-Reply-To: <20050308091350.5bab97a3.dvmail@texas.net> References: <422DA908.60503@Dynabrade.com> <20050308091350.5bab97a3.dvmail@texas.net> Message-ID: <422DB4C7.70108@Dynabrade.com> It's alot of data, when all is said and done it's going to be like 70GB. I could sftp it to a linuxbox, then write it to tape from there, but then I need a staging area big enough on the backup server. I need to put it to tape becuase I need some history. From what I read the smbmount/tar timestamp issue is a known one, it's not critical but a little quirky, I'm not worried too much about it at this point. Thanks for all the posts! Justin Bennett Network Administrator Dynabrade, Inc. 8989 Sheridan Dr. Clarence, NY 14031 On 3/8/2005 9:13 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: >Since if you use MS Windows you can't be too concerned about uptime... > >Why not boot up with Knoppix (http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html) and scp the whole Windows setup to a Linux box. > >If you use a Red-Hat type OS, like CentOS (http://centos.org/), you can get NTFS modules at http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html > >something like, depending on setup on your other computer... > >ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.x >route add default gw 192.168.0.1 > >scp -c blowfish /mnt/cdrive root@192.168.0.x:/home/storage/win > >- or - > >Go get WinSCP and just SFTP to a Linux box... >http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php > >WinSCP is an open source SFTP client for Windows using SSH. > > >have fun, >Daniel > > >On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:30:48 -0500 >Justin Bennett wrote: > > > >>Following Pete's recommendation on backing up files from windows, I'm >>using tar off of a smbmount file share, I'm getting file changed as we >>read it errors during the tar, it's always the same files, and in >>windows they haven't changed. I did some googleing and found that this >>is an issue with windows reporting the timestamp and that the file >>should be ok. Can anyone confirm they've see this problem? >> >>Thanks >>Justin >> >>-- >>Justin Bennett >>Network Administrator >>Dynabrade, Inc. >>8989 Sheridan Dr. >>Clarence, NY 14031 >> >> >> >> From john at kegworks.com Tue Mar 8 09:21:43 2005 From: john at kegworks.com (John Nichel) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: All User Read/Write to usbdisk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422DB4F7.7040403@kegworks.com> Frank Kumro wrote: > I was wondering how I can have any user be able to read and write to > the usb thumb drive I have. Now i am the only one using it so I mount > it with > > sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk/ > > I can read it but I cannot remove data from it. I cant write to it > either, how can I enable any user to delete,modify,write to the disk? > Add it to your fstab...something like this.... /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat noauto,users,rw,umask=0 0 0 -- John C. Nichel ?berGeek KegWorks.com 716.856.9675 john@kegworks.com From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Mar 8 09:34:41 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:32 2005 Subject: Smbmount / Tar In-Reply-To: <422DB2ED.6000607@thecybersource.com> References: <422DA908.60503@Dynabrade.com> <422DB2ED.6000607@thecybersource.com> Message-ID: <422DB801.8090706@thecybersource.com> Cyber Source wrote: > Justin Bennett wrote: > >> Following Pete's recommendation on backing up files from windows, I'm >> using tar off of a smbmount file share, I'm getting file changed as >> we read it errors during the tar, it's always the same files, and in >> windows they haven't changed. I did some googleing and found that >> this is an issue with windows reporting the timestamp and that the >> file should be ok. Can anyone confirm they've see this problem? >> >> Thanks >> Justin >> > Are these system files your having the trouble with? I have seen tar > complain about time stamps but usually it's an ACL thing. Are the > times between your windows box and Linux box the same? > I don't have the same situation (thankfully). I have a Linux server > acting as a PDC and I wanted to backup the samba shares. So I had an > older box with a scsi backplane that was too old for anything other > than a role as a backup server, which I put into place last night and > have the PDC NFS export the directories I want to backup. The backup > server mounts the NFS exports and tars them up nightly to another > drive on the backup server, here is a snippet of my one week tolerance > from cron, > #Backup Act Databases on Monday > 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Monday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act > #Backup Act Databases on Tuesday > 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Tuesday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act > #Backup Act Databases on Wednesday > 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Wednesday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act > #Backup Act Databases on Thursday > 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Thursday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act > #Backup Act Databases on Friday > 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Friday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act > #Backup Act Databases on Saturday > 00 4 * * 1 tar -czpf /disk1/Saturday/act.tar.gz /bmhserver/public/Act > > I just really don't like tapes and this works for me ;). > for those of you that noticed, i corrected the crons with the correct day. -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Mar 8 09:41:26 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: All User Read/Write to usbdisk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422DB996.2000200@thecybersource.com> Frank Kumro wrote: >I was wondering how I can have any user be able to read and write to >the usb thumb drive I have. Now i am the only one using it so I mount >it with > >sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk/ > >I can read it but I cannot remove data from it. I cant write to it >either, how can I enable any user to delete,modify,write to the disk? > > > Your on FC3 right? You should probably update your kernel to at least 2.6.7-1.494.2.2 (that one is very stable for us) and make sure your haldaemon is running. It should auto mount and be rw and nautilus should even pop up a window showing the contents. If you have the stock kernel that came with FC3, I suspect that is your problem (if the haldaemon is running that is). -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Mar 8 09:42:25 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: All User Read/Write to usbdisk In-Reply-To: <422DB4F7.7040403@kegworks.com> References: <422DB4F7.7040403@kegworks.com> Message-ID: <422DB9D1.3000302@thecybersource.com> John Nichel wrote: > Frank Kumro wrote: > >> I was wondering how I can have any user be able to read and write to >> the usb thumb drive I have. Now i am the only one using it so I mount >> it with >> >> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk/ >> >> I can read it but I cannot remove data from it. I cant write to it >> either, how can I enable any user to delete,modify,write to the disk? >> > > Add it to your fstab...something like this.... > > /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat noauto,users,rw,umask=0 0 0 > If he has FC3 and I believe he does, that is all handled with haldaemon, no fstab entry is necessary. -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Mar 8 10:23:52 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: All User Read/Write to usbdisk In-Reply-To: <422DB996.2000200@thecybersource.com> References: <422DB996.2000200@thecybersource.com> Message-ID: <422DC388.9040409@thecybersource.com> Cyber Source wrote: > Frank Kumro wrote: > >> I was wondering how I can have any user be able to read and write to >> the usb thumb drive I have. Now i am the only one using it so I mount >> it with >> >> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk/ >> >> I can read it but I cannot remove data from it. I cant write to it >> either, how can I enable any user to delete,modify,write to the disk? >> >> >> > Your on FC3 right? You should probably update your kernel to at least > 2.6.7-1.494.2.2 (that one is very stable for us) and make sure your > haldaemon is running. It should auto mount and be rw and nautilus > should even pop up a window showing the contents. If you have the > stock kernel that came with FC3, I suspect that is your problem (if > the haldaemon is running that is). > sorry again, wrong kernel wrong pc (im still on FC2). The kernel we are currently running with FC3 is 2.6.9-1.667 -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From frank at mogosystems.com Tue Mar 8 21:51:36 2005 From: frank at mogosystems.com (frank@mogosystems.com) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? Message-ID: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050308/c343047d/attachment.ksh From joshua.altemoos at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 22:03:54 2005 From: joshua.altemoos at gmail.com (Joshua Ronne Altemoos) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> References: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> Message-ID: <2af2a0db050308190319e0b2da@mail.gmail.com> DNS not updateing it has happened to me in the past On 9 Mar 2005 02:51:36 -0000, frank@mogosystems.com wrote: > > > I have been having a problem with certain sites "not being found." These are > sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 - 4 times just to get them to > load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on PowerLink. I am trying to figure > out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Frank > > -- Josh -Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From djandruczyk at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 22:12:45 2005 From: djandruczyk at yahoo.com (Dave Andruczyk) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050309031245.58493.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> --- frank@mogosystems.com wrote: > > > > I have been having a problem with certain sites "not being found." These are > sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 - 4 times just to get them > to > load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on PowerLink. I am trying to > figure > out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have any ideas? > Check your /etc/resolve.conf. it should have the IP address of your DNS server (the same one you see in network properties on your windows machine, if it has 127.0.0.1 it might mean that named has stopped running on your local machine (named is the DNS server, and by default on most distros is setup in a caching mode). try restarting named "service named restart" or "/etc/init.d.named restart" Dave J. Andruczyk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Mar 8 22:21:37 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> References: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> Message-ID: <422E6BC1.6080103@thecybersource.com> frank@mogosystems.com wrote: > >I have been having a problem with certain sites "not being found." These are >sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 - 4 times just to get them to >load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on PowerLink. I am trying to figure >out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have any ideas? > >Thanks, >Frank > > > traceroute will tell you if routers are down on the internet, "traceroute yahoo.com" will show you all the hops it takes to get there, if you get any *, that particular router is timing out, etc. Right now, I'm showing time outs on some routers, I think there is some trouble on the net tonight. If root routers go down, and they do from time to time, it can cause troubles until a different route is used, etc.. -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Mar 8 22:22:47 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> References: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> Message-ID: <422E6C07.7090909@thecybersource.com> frank@mogosystems.com wrote: > >I have been having a problem with certain sites "not being found." These are >sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 - 4 times just to get them to >load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on PowerLink. I am trying to figure >out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have any ideas? > >Thanks, >Frank > > > here is a snippet of my results tonight, [peter@Office peter]$ traceroute yahoo.com traceroute: Warning: yahoo.com has multiple addresses; using 66.94.234.13 traceroute to yahoo.com (66.94.234.13), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 * * * 2 bflo-shasta.choiceone.net (64.65.210.18) 9.287 ms 8.370 ms 8.410 ms 3 atm6-5-1007-roc-ext-cisco.choiceone.net (64.65.210.189) 10.356 ms 10.977 ms 10.731 ms 4 nycmny1wce2-pos5-0.wcg.net (65.77.98.81) 17.977 ms 17.984 ms 17.820 ms 5 nycmny2wcx3-pos11-2.wcg.net (64.200.68.101) 19.908 ms 17.984 ms 18.944 ms 6 nycmny2wcx2-pos0-0-oc192.wcg.net (64.200.68.157) 18.388 ms 18.392 ms 19.081 ms 7 hrndva1wcx2-pos1-0-oc192.wcg.net (64.200.210.178) 24.029 ms 25.348 ms 24.216 ms 8 washdc5lch1-pos4-1.wcg.net (64.200.89.138) 24.823 ms 24.943 ms 25.039 ms 9 washdc5lce1-yahoo-gige.wcg.net (64.200.95.58) 25.202 ms 25.426 ms 24.765 ms 10 ge-0-1-4.p149.pat2.pao.yahoo.com (216.115.96.32) 89.360 ms ge-0-0-4.p806.pat2.pao.yahoo.com (216.115.98.49) 96.354 ms 97.423 ms 11 ge-0-0-3.msr1.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.64.146) 89.193 ms ge-1-0-3.msr1.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.82.197) 96.712 ms ge-0-0-2.msr2.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.64.138) 90.338 ms 12 UNKNOWN-66-218-82-238.yahoo.com (66.218.82.238) 97.087 ms vl44.bas1-m.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.82.234) 89.781 ms 97.058 ms 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From kobear at sharedbrain.net Tue Mar 8 23:04:14 2005 From: kobear at sharedbrain.net (kobear@sharedbrain.net) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> References: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> Message-ID: <1110341054.422e75be47be5@webmail.sharedbrain.net> Where are you getting your DNS servers from? DHCP from Adelphia? If so, does your Winbloze box have a different set of DNS servers assigned via DHCP than your Linux box? Adelphia has DNS servers on at least two different class A networks in the WNY area. They could be having problems with one set (?) Quoting frank@mogosystems.com: > > > > I have been having a problem with certain sites "not being found." These are > sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 - 4 times just to get them > to > load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on PowerLink. I am trying to > figure > out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Frank > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From frank at mogosystems.com Tue Mar 8 23:09:31 2005 From: frank at mogosystems.com (frank@mogosystems.com) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? Message-ID: <20050309040931.16424.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050309/c65304b8/attachment.ksh From robert_todd at adelphia.net Tue Mar 8 23:13:36 2005 From: robert_todd at adelphia.net (Robert Wolfe) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? References: <20050309025136.42362.qmail@host127.ipowerweb.com> Message-ID: <009501c5245e$5e4a2390$640fa8c0@wolfe.local> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: Have I been hacked? > I have been having a problem with certain sites "not being found." These > are > sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 - 4 times just to get > them to > load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on PowerLink. I am trying to > figure > out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have any ideas? And to think when I was at home I did not have to answer anything like this :) Yes, folks, I DO work for Adelphia and I DO support their High Speed Internet product (formerly PowerLink). I do have Adelphia HSI myself (I work there so why wouldn't I? ) What distro of Linux are you running? Robert Wolfe, Adelphia Tier 1 Chat Tech Support Agent (and PROUD User/Supporter of Aurora Linux 1.0 on a Sparc Ultra 5 ) Buffalo APCC Buffalo, NY From torrodimerda at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 11:28:55 2005 From: torrodimerda at yahoo.com (anthonyriga) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050309162855.36855.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com> I have notice from time to time while running Firefox on Windows or Linux there is a light delay and the status bar hangs page does not show. After I refresh page it comes up sometimes very slow. Not sure if this is the same issue u are having. --- Robert Wolfe wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:51 PM > Subject: Have I been hacked? > > > > I have been having a problem with certain sites > "not being found." These > > are > > sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 > - 4 times just to get > > them to > > load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on > PowerLink. I am trying to > > figure > > out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have > any ideas? > > And to think when I was at home I did not have to > answer anything like this > :) Yes, folks, I DO work for Adelphia and I DO > support their High Speed > Internet product (formerly PowerLink). I do have > Adelphia HSI myself (I > work there so why wouldn't I? ) What distro of > Linux are you running? > > Robert Wolfe, Adelphia Tier 1 Chat Tech Support > Agent (and PROUD > User/Supporter of Aurora Linux 1.0 on a Sparc Ultra > 5 ) > Buffalo APCC > Buffalo, NY > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From lobo519 at adelphia.net Wed Mar 9 12:09:00 2005 From: lobo519 at adelphia.net (Jim) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? References: <20050309162855.36855.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c524ca$afff8740$0300a8c0@jim> "I have notice from time to time while running Firefox > on Windows or Linux there is a light delay and the > status bar hangs page does not show. After I refresh > page it comes up sometimes very slow. Not sure if this > is the same issue u are having." I am having that same problem! It's annoying the crap out of me. Sorry I dont mean to takeover the subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: "anthonyriga" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Have I been hacked? > I have notice from time to time while running Firefox > on Windows or Linux there is a light delay and the > status bar hangs page does not show. After I refresh > page it comes up sometimes very slow. Not sure if this > is the same issue u are having. > --- Robert Wolfe wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:51 PM > > Subject: Have I been hacked? > > > > > > > I have been having a problem with certain sites > > "not being found." These > > > are > > > sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 > > - 4 times just to get > > > them to > > > load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on > > PowerLink. I am trying to > > > figure > > > out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have > > any ideas? > > > > And to think when I was at home I did not have to > > answer anything like this > > :) Yes, folks, I DO work for Adelphia and I DO > > support their High Speed > > Internet product (formerly PowerLink). I do have > > Adelphia HSI myself (I > > work there so why wouldn't I? ) What distro of > > Linux are you running? > > > > Robert Wolfe, Adelphia Tier 1 Chat Tech Support > > Agent (and PROUD > > User/Supporter of Aurora Linux 1.0 on a Sparc Ultra > > 5 ) > > Buffalo APCC > > Buffalo, NY > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From torrodimerda at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 12:58:53 2005 From: torrodimerda at yahoo.com (anthonyriga) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Firefox delays In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050309175853.70550.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com> I never had the issue using Mozilla. Firefox on Win and Linux versions yes. I notoiced this the first time Firefox came out too.. What causes this delay? I have tried too the tweaks that can be done in the about config and still does the same. If I use Mozilla and Firefox at the same time the Mozilla browser reaches the web page before Fireox too. I am using Adelph DNS and have the ip in the /etc/resolv.cofig.. This happens at work too for me when I use Firefox on Win and VMware Linux.. --- Jim wrote: > "I have notice from time to time while running > Firefox > > on Windows or Linux there is a light delay and the > > status bar hangs page does not show. After I > refresh > > page it comes up sometimes very slow. Not sure if > this > > is the same issue u are having." > > I am having that same problem! It's annoying the > crap out of me. Sorry > I dont mean to takeover the subject. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anthonyriga" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: Have I been hacked? > > > > I have notice from time to time while running > Firefox > > on Windows or Linux there is a light delay and the > > status bar hangs page does not show. After I > refresh > > page it comes up sometimes very slow. Not sure if > this > > is the same issue u are having. > > --- Robert Wolfe wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:51 PM > > > Subject: Have I been hacked? > > > > > > > > > > I have been having a problem with certain > sites > > > "not being found." These > > > > are > > > > sites that used to come up quickly. Now it > takes 2 > > > - 4 times just to get > > > > them to > > > > load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am > on > > > PowerLink. I am trying to > > > > figure > > > > out what is causing this delay. Does anyone > have > > > any ideas? > > > > > > And to think when I was at home I did not have > to > > > answer anything like this > > > :) Yes, folks, I DO work for Adelphia and I DO > > > support their High Speed > > > Internet product (formerly PowerLink). I do > have > > > Adelphia HSI myself (I > > > work there so why wouldn't I? ) What distro > of > > > Linux are you running? > > > > > > Robert Wolfe, Adelphia Tier 1 Chat Tech Support > > > Agent (and PROUD > > > User/Supporter of Aurora Linux 1.0 on a Sparc > Ultra > > > 5 ) > > > Buffalo APCC > > > Buffalo, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From robert_todd at adelphia.net Wed Mar 9 09:08:50 2005 From: robert_todd at adelphia.net (Robert Wolfe) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Firefox delays In-Reply-To: <20050309175853.70550.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050309175853.70550.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200503090908.50262.robert_todd@adelphia.net> On Wednesday 09 March 2005 12:58, anthonyriga wrote: > I never had the issue using Mozilla. Firefox on Win > and Linux versions yes. I notoiced this the first time > Firefox came out too.. What causes this delay? I have > tried too the tweaks that can be done in the about > config and still does the same. If I use Mozilla and > Firefox at the same time the Mozilla browser reaches > the web page before Fireox too. I am using Adelph DNS > and have the ip in the /etc/resolv.cofig.. This > happens at work too for me when I use Firefox on Win > and VMware Linux.. Okay, after reading these messages, I, too, have realized that my better half and I both have these very same problems under Windows. However, I use Mozilla on my Aurora Linux box (the Sun Ultra 5 I have here at home) and do not see any problems with page loads whatsoever. From erek at nbtsc.org Wed Mar 9 18:21:53 2005 From: erek at nbtsc.org (Erek Dyskant) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: OT: Rack mount cabinet Message-ID: <20050309232153.GB30099@nbtsc.org> Hi All, Does anyone know where I can find an inexpensive rack mount cabinet in the Buffalo area? It doesn't matter to me whether it is open or closed, it just needs to be free standing (not require to be bolted to anything for support) Thanks for the help. Regards, Erek -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050309/63e62fae/attachment.pgp From mmusone at shatterit.com Wed Mar 9 19:22:57 2005 From: mmusone at shatterit.com (Mark Musone) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Rack mount cabinet In-Reply-To: <20050309232153.GB30099@nbtsc.org> Message-ID: <000801c52507$4f60f440$33faa8c0@usa.shatterit.com> what size? 42U? what cooling, front to back or top to bottom? What type of servers will be in it? also, do you need round or square hole? -Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org] On Behalf Of Erek Dyskant Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:22 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: OT: Rack mount cabinet Hi All, Does anyone know where I can find an inexpensive rack mount cabinet in the Buffalo area? It doesn't matter to me whether it is open or closed, it just needs to be free standing (not require to be bolted to anything for support) Thanks for the help. Regards, Erek From erek at nbtsc.org Wed Mar 9 20:19:59 2005 From: erek at nbtsc.org (Erek Dyskant) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Rack mount cabinet In-Reply-To: <000801c52507$4f60f440$33faa8c0@usa.shatterit.com> References: <20050309232153.GB30099@nbtsc.org> <000801c52507$4f60f440$33faa8c0@usa.shatterit.com> Message-ID: <20050310011957.GD30099@nbtsc.org> Mark, Since this won't be for mission critical or high-density servers, I'm basically looking for whatever someone has surplus. This is to organize the developement and other servers that we have in our office. It won't be filled for some time, so I don't anticipate cooling to be a problem. I'd prefer round holes. As of now, we're planning on having, a switch, a UPS, 2 generic 3U boxes, a 3U Proliant 1600, a Supermicro 1U box, and a Sun Ultra 10, for a total of 18 Units, so anything over 25U would be fine. 42U seems to be the standard size, so we'll most likely go with one like that and have plenty of ventilation space between the servers. Thanks for the help. Regards, Erek On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 07:22:57PM -0500, Mark Musone wrote: > what size? 42U? what cooling, front to back or top to bottom? > What type of servers will be in it? also, do you need round or square hole? > > -Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org] On Behalf Of Erek > Dyskant > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:22 PM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: OT: Rack mount cabinet > > Hi All, > Does anyone know where I can find an inexpensive rack mount > cabinet in the Buffalo area? > It doesn't matter to me whether it is open or closed, it just > needs to be free standing (not require to be bolted to anything for > support) > Thanks for the help. > > Regards, > Erek > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.nflug.org/pipermail/nflug/attachments/20050309/792f3cf3/attachment.pgp From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 09:22:36 2005 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Fwd: Windows/Linux Engineer Message-ID: <20050310142237.73488.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com> Here is a job posting that was sent to me by Systems Personnel. Contact is at the bottom. Hope somebody can use this! > Can you post this > position for me or know anyone? The salary is around 45K. Thanks > Windows / Linux Systems Engineer - Direct Hire > Outstanding growth opportunity. Work as the co-lead engineer handling all > technical issues escalated from help desk and lower level engineers. Manage > the uptime and performance of all network servers. Manage all projects > including server monitoring, upgrades, installation, security, virus > protection and more. Keep your skills on the cutting edge at this company > investing in new technology and using the latest tools. Successful candidate > must have 2+ years Windows 2000/2003 Server Administration with strong Active > Directory knowledge. Advanced administration experience with the Linux > operating system including Red Hat and BSD required. Experience > troubleshooting and upgrading Intel based server hardware required. > Outstanding written and verbal communication skills and an outgoing > personality required. Candidates with degrees and certifications required. > > Christine Genek > Systems Personnel > (716)677-2667 > 1-888-297-4825 (toll free) > www.systemspersonnel.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dennisr at corp.kanoodle.com Thu Mar 10 10:10:20 2005 From: dennisr at corp.kanoodle.com (Dennis Ruzeski) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: OpenLDAP references Message-ID: Greetings, all- Here's my situation. We've gotten to the point here where there's a need for central authentication for our developers. Rather than set up NIS+ or try to use our M$ Active Directory, we're setting up an LDAP server. No problem. The server and database is set up properly and I can use authconfig to make the linux systems point to it. The problem is in the details- User home directories, for example. I know I don't need a copy on every box- How do I get it to be available on the logged-in system? What I'm looking for is a decent reference on how to set up the stuff that authconfig doesn't (pam, home directories, email, etc....) TIA, Dennis From dennisr at corp.kanoodle.com Thu Mar 10 10:17:33 2005 From: dennisr at corp.kanoodle.com (Dennis Ruzeski) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- Message-ID: I'm curious about something-- How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? --Dennis From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 11:23:28 2005 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310162329.83453.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I have used Linux in a corporate environment. A place that worked at had numberous Linux web/database servers and my desktop was linux. We also had corporate Email on Linux with windows and Linux clients. I'm not currently working in that environment but there are some places out there like this. Most of the people in the group fall into the home experimenter/small environment types. There aren't a lot of people with larger scale experience because there isn't a whole lot of companies around here using Linux in a large scale way. Cheers! Bob --- Dennis Ruzeski wrote: > I'm curious about something-- > > How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a > corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? > > I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around > 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, > but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like > high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and > Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? > > --Dennis > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From yearke at eng.buffalo.edu Thu Mar 10 11:37:43 2005 From: yearke at eng.buffalo.edu (Dave Yearke) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- Message-ID: <200503101637.j2AGbhDg027278@fate.eng.buffalo.edu> > I'm curious about something-- > > How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a > corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? We use it widely here in UB's Science and Engineering Node. We have several large labs of Linux workstations, plus several moderately-sized compute clusters. We don't have very many Linux servers at present; our servers tend to still be mostly Sun Enterprise systems running Solaris, as they have proven to be stable and robust (some are almost seven years old, and still performing their jobs adequately). Another person on the NFLUG list, Jason Lasker, has built a full KickStart infrastructure, so we can install and upgrade systems quickly, efficiently, and consistently, and has customized RHEL3 in many clever ways to meet our particular needs. I've done quite a bit with hands-off and networked-based administration, using home-brewed scripts and utilities, and active maintenance on these systems is pretty low. Truthfully, our client/server environment has illuminated, at least to me, one of the few weaknesses of Linux: Some network services are not as well-developed as they are on other Unix-like operating systems. For example, the Linux automounter does not support direct mounts well or host-based mounts at all, and other network services will spontaneously stop responding. I suspect that this is because the focus of Linux development has been either on (a) standalone desktop systems, or (b) standalone servers doing things like serving web sites. I could be completely wrong, here, but that's my guess. > I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around > 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, > but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like > high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and > Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? Jason and I would be happy to demonstrate some of the procedures and practices we use. We won't claim that they are necessarily the "best" ways, but they work well for us. Sometimes, we use surprisingly low-tech approaches to administration, because often times simple is better. By the way, I guess I'm _way_ in the minority on this list, but I don't think Windows "sucks" (please understand, I'm not singling you out, but I see a lot of comments like this on this list). I've been using and administering it for years, and despite its problems, it meets certain needs very well. In fact, we have a strong focus here on making Linux, Solaris, Windows, MacOS, and other operating systems play nice together, because they all meet certain needs and accomplish certain goals. We'd be happy to provide examples on some of this as well, if there's interest. For the last few months, for example, I've been using Cygwin on my Windows XP laptop, which gives a full Unix-like environment under Windows, complete with a full X Window environment (and GNOME on the way). -- Dave Yearke, yearke@eng.buffalo.edu "We are, after all, professionals" -- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Mar 10 11:42:35 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: <20050310162329.83453.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050310162329.83453.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423078FB.7030600@thecybersource.com> Robert Meyer wrote: >Well, I have used Linux in a corporate environment. A place that worked at had >numberous Linux web/database servers and my desktop was linux. We also had >corporate Email on Linux with windows and Linux clients. I'm not currently >working in that environment but there are some places out there like this. > >Most of the people in the group fall into the home experimenter/small >environment types. There aren't a lot of people with larger scale experience >because there isn't a whole lot of companies around here using Linux in a large >scale way. > >Cheers! > >Bob >--- Dennis Ruzeski wrote: > > >>I'm curious about something-- >> >>How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a >>corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? >> >>I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around >>'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, >>but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like >>high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and >>Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? >> >>--Dennis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > We have been steadily working on our clients with Linux in the workplace. They all start out with Linux as SMB, Email, Intranet servers, then I gradually work in the workstations and with the help of VMware, I can let the workstations do there windows stuff and at the same time with a click of a mouse, do there email and web stuff in Linux, for more security, etc. It's a formula that's been building and building with great success. -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From dmagnuszewski at mandtbank.com Thu Mar 10 11:41:23 2005 From: dmagnuszewski at mandtbank.com (DANIEL MAGNUSZEWSKI) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- Message-ID: I essentially use linux in the corporate/enterprise environment, for a large portion of our Network Monitoring System (NMS), as opposed to the home/desktop realm. I do have a Linux server at home, and did have a Linux desktop for a while, but I eventually opted for another *NIX desktop environment - OSX. -Dan >>> dennisr@corp.kanoodle.com 03/10/05 10:17 AM >>> I'm curious about something-- How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? --Dennis From chazroot at accountsolutionsgroup.com Thu Mar 10 11:46:48 2005 From: chazroot at accountsolutionsgroup.com (Charles H. Root, III) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Gang, In less than three years, the Unix/Linux installed base at ASG has grown from zero to: 15% of all workstations 25% of all data system servers 60% of dialer system I've always preached a technology agnostic philosophy... Don't drink the kool-aid and don't take the pill. Otherwise you will find yourself blindly worshiping at the temple of IBM, Microsoft, Sun or whomever. Even worse, you may become trapped by a proprietary system that is painful to leave. My approach has always been "the right tool for the right job at the right price." Here's some of what we are doing with Open Source. Most of our employees run Citrix sessions. We are now rolling out Linux based PC's or thin clients that have nothing but X Windows and the Citrix client on them. I can utilize old Pentium II's, buy or use old computers, and don't have to pay a Microsoft Windows License fee. I've saved the company $15K - $20K on XP licenses and about $75K on PCS. Almost $100K in one year. Our CFO loves me! All DNS, FTP and web functionality have been migrated to Red hat 8 and Fedora Core 3. We have built an HP WebJetAdmin server running Red Hat 8 that monitors all printers across the enterprise. If a printer gets a paper jam, is low on paper, toner or has any type of error it automatically e-mails my Help Desk team. When you empower yourself to be proactive, you can stay ahead of the support curve and fix problems, often times, before your users know there is an issue. Since we receive e-mail alerts, sometimes our techs show up just as a user says something like "Hey, I was just about to call you!" Our user base thinks we are heroes! We also built a Near Line Storage (NLS) server running Red Hat 9 with Samba on an old server we had laying around. This unit contains seven folders... One for each day of the week. In addition to backing up all end user data to tape every night, another jobs copies that day's data into the appropriate folder on the NLS server. Now I have the last seven days of end user files backed up on a hard drive! If you send your backup tapes offsite to Iron Mountain or somewhere safe like we do, then you know it's a pain (and expensive) to recall a tape from storage when an end user blows up a spreadsheet and needs the file restored. When your Help Desk gets a call like this, you normally would tell them something like "I'll call you in four hours after we get the tape back and restore the file." With my solution, our Help Desk staff can restore the file from the NLS server during the support call! Thirty seconds versus four hours... The problem is solved before the end user hangs up! Again, our users think we are heroes! Phase two of our NLS plan is to make these folders available to end users in a read-only format that mirrors what they are allowed to see on our main file server. In this scenario, end users can restore their own files and never call the Help Desk. Oooh yeah... works for me! We are using a FreeBSD server to run scripts that accomplish scheduled tasks via telnet on an old legacy green screen system. We grabbed the source code for VNC and created our own application that lets us shadow end user sessions for QA and tech support purposes via a web based front end. My point is look at all of your business needs and see what makes the most sense. If you can utilize Open Source like we have at little or no expense, you can pull off some high visibility projects that make you look like a genius. The right tools for the right job at the right price! Good luck, Charles H. Root, III Chief Information Officer Account Solutions Group 205 Bryant Woods South Amherst, NY 14228-3609 v: 716.564.4991 f: 716.564.4331 www.accountsolutionsgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Ruzeski Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:18 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Poll of sorts- I'm curious about something-- How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? --Dennis This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you receive this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. From chazroot at accountsolutionsgroup.com Thu Mar 10 11:46:48 2005 From: chazroot at accountsolutionsgroup.com (Charles H. Root, III) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Gang, In less than three years, the Unix/Linux installed base at ASG has grown from zero to: 15% of all workstations 25% of all data system servers 60% of dialer system I've always preached a technology agnostic philosophy... Don't drink the kool-aid and don't take the pill. Otherwise you will find yourself blindly worshiping at the temple of IBM, Microsoft, Sun or whomever. Even worse, you may become trapped by a proprietary system that is painful to leave. My approach has always been "the right tool for the right job at the right price." Here's some of what we are doing with Open Source. Most of our employees run Citrix sessions. We are now rolling out Linux based PC's or thin clients that have nothing but X Windows and the Citrix client on them. I can utilize old Pentium II's, buy or use old computers, and don't have to pay a Microsoft Windows License fee. I've saved the company $15K - $20K on XP licenses and about $75K on PCS. Almost $100K in one year. Our CFO loves me! All DNS, FTP and web functionality have been migrated to Red hat 8 and Fedora Core 3. We have built an HP WebJetAdmin server running Red Hat 8 that monitors all printers across the enterprise. If a printer gets a paper jam, is low on paper, toner or has any type of error it automatically e-mails my Help Desk team. When you empower yourself to be proactive, you can stay ahead of the support curve and fix problems, often times, before your users know there is an issue. Since we receive e-mail alerts, sometimes our techs show up just as a user says something like "Hey, I was just about to call you!" Our user base thinks we are heroes! We also built a Near Line Storage (NLS) server running Red Hat 9 with Samba on an old server we had laying around. This unit contains seven folders... One for each day of the week. In addition to backing up all end user data to tape every night, another jobs copies that day's data into the appropriate folder on the NLS server. Now I have the last seven days of end user files backed up on a hard drive! If you send your backup tapes offsite to Iron Mountain or somewhere safe like we do, then you know it's a pain (and expensive) to recall a tape from storage when an end user blows up a spreadsheet and needs the file restored. When your Help Desk gets a call like this, you normally would tell them something like "I'll call you in four hours after we get the tape back and restore the file." With my solution, our Help Desk staff can restore the file from the NLS server during the support call! Thirty seconds versus four hours... The problem is solved before the end user hangs up! Again, our users think we are heroes! Phase two of our NLS plan is to make these folders available to end users in a read-only format that mirrors what they are allowed to see on our main file server. In this scenario, end users can restore their own files and never call the Help Desk. Oooh yeah... works for me! We are using a FreeBSD server to run scripts that accomplish scheduled tasks via telnet on an old legacy green screen system. We grabbed the source code for VNC and created our own application that lets us shadow end user sessions for QA and tech support purposes via a web based front end. My point is look at all of your business needs and see what makes the most sense. If you can utilize Open Source like we have at little or no expense, you can pull off some high visibility projects that make you look like a genius. The right tools for the right job at the right price! Good luck, Charles H. Root, III Chief Information Officer Account Solutions Group 205 Bryant Woods South Amherst, NY 14228-3609 v: 716.564.4991 f: 716.564.4331 www.accountsolutionsgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Ruzeski Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:18 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Poll of sorts- I'm curious about something-- How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? --Dennis This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you receive this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. From joshua.altemoos at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 12:23:14 2005 From: joshua.altemoos at gmail.com (Joshua Ronne Altemoos) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2af2a0db05031009235253b3b4@mail.gmail.com> i use linux on my desktop and on my personal colo server On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:46:48 -0500, Charles H. Root, III wrote: > Hey Gang, > > In less than three years, the Unix/Linux installed base at ASG has grown > from zero to: > > 15% of all workstations > 25% of all data system servers > 60% of dialer system > > I've always preached a technology agnostic philosophy... Don't drink the > kool-aid and don't take the pill. Otherwise you will find yourself blindly > worshiping at the temple of IBM, Microsoft, Sun or whomever. Even worse, you > may become trapped by a proprietary system that is painful to leave. My > approach has always been "the right tool for the right job at the right > price." > > Here's some of what we are doing with Open Source. > > Most of our employees run Citrix sessions. We are now rolling out Linux > based PC's or thin clients that have nothing but X Windows and the Citrix > client on them. I can utilize old Pentium II's, buy or use old computers, > and don't have to pay a Microsoft Windows License fee. I've saved the > company $15K - $20K on XP licenses and about $75K on PCS. Almost $100K in > one year. Our CFO loves me! > > All DNS, FTP and web functionality have been migrated to Red hat 8 and > Fedora Core 3. > > We have built an HP WebJetAdmin server running Red Hat 8 that monitors all > printers across the enterprise. If a printer gets a paper jam, is low on > paper, toner or has any type of error it automatically e-mails my Help Desk > team. When you empower yourself to be proactive, you can stay ahead of the > support curve and fix problems, often times, before your users know there is > an issue. Since we receive e-mail alerts, sometimes our techs show up just > as a user says something like "Hey, I was just about to call you!" Our user > base thinks we are heroes! > > We also built a Near Line Storage (NLS) server running Red Hat 9 with Samba > on an old server we had laying around. This unit contains seven folders... > One for each day of the week. In addition to backing up all end user data to > tape every night, another jobs copies that day's data into the appropriate > folder on the NLS server. Now I have the last seven days of end user files > backed up on a hard drive! > > If you send your backup tapes offsite to Iron Mountain or somewhere safe > like we do, then you know it's a pain (and expensive) to recall a tape from > storage when an end user blows up a spreadsheet and needs the file restored. > When your Help Desk gets a call like this, you normally would tell them > something like "I'll call you in four hours after we get the tape back and > restore the file." > > With my solution, our Help Desk staff can restore the file from the NLS > server during the support call! Thirty seconds versus four hours... The > problem is solved before the end user hangs up! Again, our users think we > are heroes! > > Phase two of our NLS plan is to make these folders available to end users in > a read-only format that mirrors what they are allowed to see on our main > file server. In this scenario, end users can restore their own files and > never call the Help Desk. Oooh yeah... works for me! > > We are using a FreeBSD server to run scripts that accomplish scheduled tasks > via telnet on an old legacy green screen system. > > We grabbed the source code for VNC and created our own application that lets > us shadow end user sessions for QA and tech support purposes via a web based > front end. > > My point is look at all of your business needs and see what makes the most > sense. If you can utilize Open Source like we have at little or no expense, > you can pull off some high visibility projects that make you look like a > genius. > > The right tools for the right job at the right price! > > Good luck, > > Charles H. Root, III > Chief Information Officer > > Account Solutions Group > 205 Bryant Woods South > Amherst, NY 14228-3609 > > v: 716.564.4991 > f: 716.564.4331 > > www.accountsolutionsgroup.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > Dennis Ruzeski > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:18 AM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Poll of sorts- > > I'm curious about something-- > > How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a > corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? > > I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around > 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows > sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like > high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and > Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like > this? > > --Dennis > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you receive this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. > -- Josh -Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From joshua.altemoos at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 12:25:09 2005 From: joshua.altemoos at gmail.com (Joshua Ronne Altemoos) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: <000601c524ca$afff8740$0300a8c0@jim> References: <20050309162855.36855.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com> <000601c524ca$afff8740$0300a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <2af2a0db0503100925569bf2e7@mail.gmail.com> i have the same problem off and on in slackware and fc3 but if i use an ip it works like normal; On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:09:00 -0500, Jim wrote: > "I have notice from time to time while running Firefox > > on Windows or Linux there is a light delay and the > > status bar hangs page does not show. After I refresh > > page it comes up sometimes very slow. Not sure if this > > is the same issue u are having." > > I am having that same problem! It's annoying the crap out of me. Sorry > I dont mean to takeover the subject. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anthonyriga" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: Have I been hacked? > > > I have notice from time to time while running Firefox > > on Windows or Linux there is a light delay and the > > status bar hangs page does not show. After I refresh > > page it comes up sometimes very slow. Not sure if this > > is the same issue u are having. > > --- Robert Wolfe wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:51 PM > > > Subject: Have I been hacked? > > > > > > > > > > I have been having a problem with certain sites > > > "not being found." These > > > > are > > > > sites that used to come up quickly. Now it takes 2 > > > - 4 times just to get > > > > them to > > > > load. They load fine on my winbloze box. I am on > > > PowerLink. I am trying to > > > > figure > > > > out what is causing this delay. Does anyone have > > > any ideas? > > > > > > And to think when I was at home I did not have to > > > answer anything like this > > > :) Yes, folks, I DO work for Adelphia and I DO > > > support their High Speed > > > Internet product (formerly PowerLink). I do have > > > Adelphia HSI myself (I > > > work there so why wouldn't I? ) What distro of > > > Linux are you running? > > > > > > Robert Wolfe, Adelphia Tier 1 Chat Tech Support > > > Agent (and PROUD > > > User/Supporter of Aurora Linux 1.0 on a Sparc Ultra > > > 5 ) > > > Buffalo APCC > > > Buffalo, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > -- Josh -Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Mar 10 12:29:51 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4230840F.3090508@thecybersource.com> Charles H. Root, III wrote: >Hey Gang, > >In less than three years, the Unix/Linux installed base at ASG has grown >from zero to: > >15% of all workstations >25% of all data system servers >60% of dialer system > >I've always preached a technology agnostic philosophy... Don't drink the >kool-aid and don't take the pill. Otherwise you will find yourself blindly >worshiping at the temple of IBM, Microsoft, Sun or whomever. Even worse, you >may become trapped by a proprietary system that is painful to leave. My >approach has always been "the right tool for the right job at the right >price." > >Here's some of what we are doing with Open Source. > >Most of our employees run Citrix sessions. We are now rolling out Linux >based PC's or thin clients that have nothing but X Windows and the Citrix >client on them. I can utilize old Pentium II's, buy or use old computers, >and don't have to pay a Microsoft Windows License fee. I've saved the >company $15K - $20K on XP licenses and about $75K on PCS. Almost $100K in >one year. Our CFO loves me! > >All DNS, FTP and web functionality have been migrated to Red hat 8 and >Fedora Core 3. > >We have built an HP WebJetAdmin server running Red Hat 8 that monitors all >printers across the enterprise. If a printer gets a paper jam, is low on >paper, toner or has any type of error it automatically e-mails my Help Desk >team. When you empower yourself to be proactive, you can stay ahead of the >support curve and fix problems, often times, before your users know there is >an issue. Since we receive e-mail alerts, sometimes our techs show up just >as a user says something like "Hey, I was just about to call you!" Our user >base thinks we are heroes! > >We also built a Near Line Storage (NLS) server running Red Hat 9 with Samba >on an old server we had laying around. This unit contains seven folders... >One for each day of the week. In addition to backing up all end user data to >tape every night, another jobs copies that day's data into the appropriate >folder on the NLS server. Now I have the last seven days of end user files >backed up on a hard drive! > >If you send your backup tapes offsite to Iron Mountain or somewhere safe >like we do, then you know it's a pain (and expensive) to recall a tape from >storage when an end user blows up a spreadsheet and needs the file restored. >When your Help Desk gets a call like this, you normally would tell them >something like "I'll call you in four hours after we get the tape back and >restore the file." > >With my solution, our Help Desk staff can restore the file from the NLS >server during the support call! Thirty seconds versus four hours... The >problem is solved before the end user hangs up! Again, our users think we >are heroes! > >Phase two of our NLS plan is to make these folders available to end users in >a read-only format that mirrors what they are allowed to see on our main >file server. In this scenario, end users can restore their own files and >never call the Help Desk. Oooh yeah... works for me! > >We are using a FreeBSD server to run scripts that accomplish scheduled tasks >via telnet on an old legacy green screen system. > >We grabbed the source code for VNC and created our own application that lets >us shadow end user sessions for QA and tech support purposes via a web based >front end. > >My point is look at all of your business needs and see what makes the most >sense. If you can utilize Open Source like we have at little or no expense, >you can pull off some high visibility projects that make you look like a >genius. > >The right tools for the right job at the right price! > >Good luck, > >Charles H. Root, III >Chief Information Officer > >Account Solutions Group >205 Bryant Woods South >Amherst, NY 14228-3609 > >v: 716.564.4991 >f: 716.564.4331 > >www.accountsolutionsgroup.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of >Dennis Ruzeski >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:18 AM >To: nflug@nflug.org >Subject: Poll of sorts- > > >I'm curious about something-- > >How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a >corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? > >I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around >'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows >sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like >high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and >Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like >this? > >--Dennis > > > > > >This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you receive this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. > > Sounds like really great stuff. Love to hear stuff like this, Congrats! -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From mckimt at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 12:33:17 2005 From: mckimt at yahoo.com (Tom McKim) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: CITRIX licensing Was RE: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050310173318.937.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Charles H. Root, III" wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Most of our employees run Citrix sessions. We are > now rolling out Linux > based PC's or thin clients that have nothing but X > Windows and the Citrix > client on them. I can utilize old Pentium II's, buy > or use old computers, > and don't have to pay a Microsoft Windows License > fee. I've saved the > company $15K - $20K on XP licenses and about $75K on > PCS. Almost $100K in > one year. Our CFO loves me! Do you have any information on the Licensing? I have been trying to get answers on this. I asked the two vendors that we're selling it to me and I spoke to a licenseing rep at Microsoft. It's been over a year so but I recall them saying that if you are going to be using Terminal Services with or with out CITRIX, you need a terminal service license per client. That is a no-brainer so I purchased 40 Termainal Service Licenses to go along with the 40 Citrix Liceneses. I was also told if you are going to be connecting from a Non-Windows 2000 (NT4, Win 98, Linux) then you need to pay for a Windows 2000 License per box. On top of that you would need a license for each client for office. Tom McKim, MCSE Network Administrator Niagara Chocolates 3500 Genesee Street Buffalo, New York 14225 tmckim@niagarachocolates.com mckimt@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com Thu Mar 10 12:45:39 2005 From: Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com (Justin Bennett) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:33 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423087C3.1000308@Dynabrade.com> Almost all of our servers are Linux, we have a few (2) windows servers for certain apps EDI, ect. but all Email, File, Web, database, ldap, domain controller, ect servers are linux. We still use windows desktops primarily NT/2000 a little XP. Justin Bennett Network Administrator Dynabrade, Inc. 8989 Sheridan Dr. Clarence, NY 14031 On 3/10/2005 10:17 AM, Dennis Ruzeski wrote: >I'm curious about something-- > >How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? > >I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? > >--Dennis > > > > > > From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Thu Mar 10 12:56:41 2005 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:34 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42308A59.9060806@cognigencorp.com> we use linux for about 90% of our infratructure at cognigen with the exception of a few services like nfs/smb, NIS+, oracle, X Logins, some statistical apps, and 25 node compute cluster. these are currently on solaris but i'll be moving oracle, and the cluster to linux by summer, NIS+ to eDirectory on linux by the end of the year hopefully. Dennis Ruzeski wrote: > I'm curious about something-- > > How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use > it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for > desktop/home use? > > I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more > around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since > Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving > around things like high-volume system administration, tuning for > performance and uptime, and Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else > that would like to do things like this? > > --Dennis > > > > -- Darin Perusich Unix Systems Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From johnseth at phoenixwing.com Thu Mar 10 13:31:43 2005 From: johnseth at phoenixwing.com (John Seth) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:34 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4230928F.2090805@phoenixwing.com> I work for a local ISP, and well, our whole shop is 95% Linux. The other 5% is: Tech Support desktops (Windows XP), one Mac OS9/OSX system, three windows web servers/clusters, and a rack of SunOS systems for our VoIP stuff. Most of our systems are RedHat 7+, and I've been moving some systems over to Slackware as we upgrade old systems. I also have two boxes at home, my server runs Slackware 10.1 with a slew of services on it (Web, DNS, Email, FTP, Samba, etc) and my desktop is dual boot Fedora Core 3/Windows XP Pro. - Tony Evans Dennis Ruzeski wrote: > I'm curious about something-- > > How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? > > I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? > > --Dennis > > > > > > From torrodimerda at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 13:48:37 2005 From: torrodimerda at yahoo.com (anthonyriga) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:34 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310184837.22368.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com> When was working for Advance 2000 we were pushing linux on the backend for our clients. Testing stuff on the Desktop too. Most of us ran it on our laptops. We also ran all of our DNS at Advance too on Linux. Our Alkatel phone systems routers were also Linux based.. My girlfriend works for Center for Plastic surgery and the are runing Medent on Win XP boxes and Redhat Adv server on the backend. They moved most of their data which needs to be hippa comliant off SCO to Linux.. --- Darin Perusich wrote: > we use linux for about 90% of our infratructure at > cognigen with the > exception of a few services like nfs/smb, NIS+, > oracle, X Logins, some > statistical apps, and 25 node compute cluster. these > are currently on > solaris but i'll be moving oracle, and the cluster > to linux by summer, > NIS+ to eDirectory on linux by the end of the year > hopefully. > > Dennis Ruzeski wrote: > > I'm curious about something-- > > > > How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on > the list that use > > it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it > more for > > desktop/home use? > > > > I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they > seem to center more > > around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', > which is great since > > Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting > topics revolving > > around things like high-volume system > administration, tuning for > > performance and uptime, and Linux in the > enterprise. Anybody else > > that would like to do things like this? > > > > --Dennis > > > > > > > > > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Systems Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ebenoit at hopevale.com Thu Mar 10 15:03:08 2005 From: ebenoit at hopevale.com (Eric) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:34 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: <20050310184837.22368.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050310184837.22368.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4230A7FC.1050704@hopevale.com> I work at a small high school where they could not afford many MS products or user licenses for e-mail and other server/client users, so I have constructed some linux servers for them. ...I should actually be more precise in saying I use a great deal of GNU apps on top of linux. I believe I may, in the future, have to put linux as a desktop here ...just wish "wine" was more advanced. anthonyriga wrote: >When was working for Advance 2000 we were pushing >linux on the backend for our clients. Testing stuff on >the Desktop too. Most of us ran it on our laptops. We >also ran all of our DNS at Advance too on Linux. Our >Alkatel phone systems routers were also Linux based.. >My girlfriend works for Center for Plastic surgery and >the are runing Medent on Win XP boxes and Redhat Adv >server on the backend. They moved most of their data >which needs to be hippa comliant off SCO to Linux.. >--- Darin Perusich >wrote: > > >>we use linux for about 90% of our infratructure at >>cognigen with the >>exception of a few services like nfs/smb, NIS+, >>oracle, X Logins, some >>statistical apps, and 25 node compute cluster. these >>are currently on >>solaris but i'll be moving oracle, and the cluster >>to linux by summer, >>NIS+ to eDirectory on linux by the end of the year >>hopefully. >> >>Dennis Ruzeski wrote: >> >> >>>I'm curious about something-- >>> >>>How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on >>> >>> >>the list that use >> >> >>>it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it >>> >>> >>more for >> >> >>>desktop/home use? >>> >>>I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they >>> >>> >>seem to center more >> >> >>>around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', >>> >>> >>which is great since >> >> >>>Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting >>> >>> >>topics revolving >> >> >>>around things like high-volume system >>> >>> >>administration, tuning for >> >> >>>performance and uptime, and Linux in the >>> >>> >>enterprise. Anybody else >> >> >>>that would like to do things like this? >>> >>>--Dennis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Darin Perusich >>Unix Systems Administrator >>Cognigen Corp. >>darinper@cognigencorp.com >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Mar 10 15:32:50 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:34 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: <4230A7FC.1050704@hopevale.com> References: <20050310184837.22368.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com> <4230A7FC.1050704@hopevale.com> Message-ID: <4230AEF2.1040301@thecybersource.com> Eric wrote: > I work at a small high school where they could not afford many MS > products or user licenses for e-mail and other server/client users, so > I have constructed some linux servers for them. ...I should actually > be more precise in saying I use a great deal of GNU apps on top of linux. > > I believe I may, in the future, have to put linux as a desktop here > ...just wish "wine" was more advanced. > > > anthonyriga wrote: > >> When was working for Advance 2000 we were pushing >> linux on the backend for our clients. Testing stuff on >> the Desktop too. Most of us ran it on our laptops. We >> also ran all of our DNS at Advance too on Linux. Our >> Alkatel phone systems routers were also Linux based.. >> My girlfriend works for Center for Plastic surgery and >> the are runing Medent on Win XP boxes and Redhat Adv >> server on the backend. They moved most of their data >> which needs to be hippa comliant off SCO to Linux.. --- Darin >> Perusich >> wrote: >> >> >>> we use linux for about 90% of our infratructure at >>> cognigen with the exception of a few services like nfs/smb, NIS+, >>> oracle, X Logins, some statistical apps, and 25 node compute >>> cluster. these >>> are currently on solaris but i'll be moving oracle, and the cluster >>> to linux by summer, NIS+ to eDirectory on linux by the end of the year >>> hopefully. >>> >>> Dennis Ruzeski wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'm curious about something-- >>>> >>>> How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on >>>> >>> >>> the list that use >>> >>> >>>> it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it >>>> >>> >>> more for >>> >>> >>>> desktop/home use? >>>> >>>> I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they >>>> >>> >>> seem to center more >>> >>> >>>> around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', >>>> >>> >>> which is great since >>> >>> >>>> Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting >>>> >>> >>> topics revolving >>> >>> >>>> around things like high-volume system >>>> >>> >>> administration, tuning for >>> >>> >>>> performance and uptime, and Linux in the >>>> >>> >>> enterprise. Anybody else >>> >>> >>>> that would like to do things like this? >>>> >>>> --Dennis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Darin Perusich >>> Unix Systems Administrator >>> Cognigen Corp. >>> darinper@cognigencorp.com >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> If you need "wine" stuff, try VMware, it's worth every penny if your stuck in M$ stuff. -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From dmangani at adelphia.net Thu Mar 10 15:38:17 2005 From: dmangani at adelphia.net (Dave Mangani) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:34 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4230B039.5070100@adelphia.net> Dennis Ruzeski wrote: >I'm curious about something-- > >How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? > >I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around 'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? > >--Dennis > > > > > > > Hi all, I suppose I am somewhat of a different user here on the group. I work as an electrical substation electrician for one of the 2 main electrical utilities in the area. At work I have no connection what so ever with "IT" or "IT systems". I have however taken many computer courses over the years because it is an interest/hobby of mine. I started out in high school using an old acoustic modem to connect to the school districts mainframe and play a hunt the wumpus type adventure game! By the way... no monitor, only a loud old dot matrix printer as output. From there on to TI-99/4A, atari,commadore, Tandy etc...I began using linux about 18 months ago after following it via reviews/previews in magazines. I use linux at home in a stricktly desktop/workstation environment. I enjoy the challenge of getting things to "work". I find it mentally invigorating and rewarding. I love using linux and learning interesting new uses and techniques for reaching my "goals". I'm sure that my "goals" are fairly limited and basic but I feel very good when I can get my DVD's to play, or figure out how to convert audio file formats or even set up a shared partition with my windows machine. Getting my palm pilot to sync was a big deal for me. God knows why as I don't really use my palm pilot. I suppose, just to see if I could get it to "work" ( I still use windows for games :-) ). Alot of the areas discussed on this group are far above my level of understanding. Alot of the items discussed I may never use or need to know, but it is still knowledge and there have been many times that this goup has had some super tips for a user like me. Thanks for this wonderful outlet and resource. I know I for one appreciate all the knowledge you guys freely share. Dave From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Mar 10 15:57:05 2005 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:34 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: <200503101637.j2AGbhDg027278@fate.eng.buffalo.edu> References: <200503101637.j2AGbhDg027278@fate.eng.buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <4230B4A1.4060905@thecybersource.com> Dave Yearke wrote: >>I'm curious about something-- >> >>How do you all use Linux? Are there many people on the list that use it in a >>corporate/enterprise environment or is it more for desktop/home use? >> >> > >We use it widely here in UB's Science and Engineering Node. We have several >large labs of Linux workstations, plus several moderately-sized compute >clusters. We don't have very many Linux servers at present; our servers tend to >still be mostly Sun Enterprise systems running Solaris, as they have proven to >be stable and robust (some are almost seven years old, and still performing >their jobs adequately). Another person on the NFLUG list, Jason Lasker, has >built a full KickStart infrastructure, so we can install and upgrade systems >quickly, efficiently, and consistently, and has customized RHEL3 in many clever >ways to meet our particular needs. I've done quite a bit with hands-off and >networked-based administration, using home-brewed scripts and utilities, and >active maintenance on these systems is pretty low. > >Truthfully, our client/server environment has illuminated, at least to me, one >of the few weaknesses of Linux: Some network services are not as well-developed >as they are on other Unix-like operating systems. For example, the Linux >automounter does not support direct mounts well or host-based mounts at all, and >other network services will spontaneously stop responding. I suspect that this >is because the focus of Linux development has been either on (a) standalone >desktop systems, or (b) standalone servers doing things like serving web sites. >I could be completely wrong, here, but that's my guess. > > > >>I've only been to a couple of meetings, but they seem to center more around >>'Linux as a Windows desktop replacement', which is great since Windows sucks, >>but I'd like to see more meeting topics revolving around things like >>high-volume system administration, tuning for performance and uptime, and >>Linux in the enterprise. Anybody else that would like to do things like this? >> >> > >Jason and I would be happy to demonstrate some of the procedures and practices >we use. We won't claim that they are necessarily the "best" ways, but they work >well for us. Sometimes, we use surprisingly low-tech approaches to >administration, because often times simple is better. > >By the way, I guess I'm _way_ in the minority on this list, but I don't think >Windows "sucks" (please understand, I'm not singling you out, but I see a lot of >comments like this on this list). I've been using and administering it for >years, and despite its problems, it meets certain needs very well. In fact, we >have a strong focus here on making Linux, Solaris, Windows, MacOS, and other >operating systems play nice together, because they all meet certain needs and >accomplish certain goals. We'd be happy to provide examples on some of this as >well, if there's interest. For the last few months, for example, I've been using >Cygwin on my Windows XP laptop, which gives a full Unix-like environment under >Windows, complete with a full X Window environment (and GNOME on the way). > > > I gotta chime in on the "windows sucks" thing, and this is just a general observation, not directed at you specifically. I think I can safely speak for a few people that the term "windows sucks" can and does mean way more that the operating system itself. I myself try not to use such generalizations but I have, in my frustration of "trying to make different os's play nice", been know to blurt out such things, as well as a few expletives, lol. And it's ALWAYS the attitude and resulting products of M$ that manage to purposely not play nice. As a publicly traded company, M$ has an obligation to earn a profit but the methods are certainly questionable, I don't need to go on about this, you all know this. I just wanted to point out the practices of another publicly traded company, RedHat. How ingenious was there Fedora project and concept?! They too have an obligation to earn a profit for there share holders and with a public beta like Fedora, they can use the public at large to put new ideas and code to test, pulling out proven methods for there sold software. If you want something polished, you pay for it and they back it up with support. Fedora is now always between the top 2 Linux distros and is a great distro to stay on top of the newest stuff. Someday someone will come up with a way to use copyrights in the 21st century on music, etc., they old ways no longer apply, i.e. the days of col parkers are over. I see RedHat as taking a huge stride forward in the way software is dealt with in the 21st century, I think it will be a model to follow, we'll see. Just my 2cents.. -- cybersource.us 115 Richfield Road Williamsville, New York 14221 716-553-8525 From lasker at eng.buffalo.edu Thu Mar 10 16:09:23 2005 From: lasker at eng.buffalo.edu (Jason Lasker) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:56:34 2005 Subject: Poll of sorts- In-Reply-To: <4230AEF2.1040301@thecybersource.com> Message-ID: <200503102109.j2AL9WDg012152@fate.eng.buffalo.edu> In our experience VWware is a good solution for individual user workstations with at least 1GB of RAM that need to run high